goin overboard-1400 watts

[cutlassburnin]

so perhaps I went a tad overboard with the stereo, but my ears are so numb from the years of abuse that I can comfortably listen to my stereo on full blast so heres what the upgrade came out to:

Pioneer deh series deck
polk audio 3.5's up front
audiobahn 6x9s out back ( 200 watts rms each! ) on a 300 watt amp
2 12" pioneer subs on a sony 1000 watt amp

waiting on capacitors for the amps and I have to figure out some issues with the signal pioneer uses with there rca hook ups...seems they like to make it so you can only use pioneer amps with there decks...but i have a way around it :)

[Techfizzle]

pio's have rca pre-outs for the amp. 1400 aint overboard. Ive got 2500 watts. Until u get up to 3kw's, you can keep kissing the bumper of my car. Ive seen on car domain where they took out the back seat of a ciera, and walled that mofo with 6 12' subs. Dat thang was sittin on 20fos and was all iced out head2toe, had 10% tint all around.
- keep it pimpin old-skool

[cutlassburnin]

the deck i have has some weird thing with the rcas, if you connect just the rca's and the control wire the amp turns on..I looked at the booklet for the deck and it shows how to connect a pioneer amp to it, its a dif. type of setup. I get a weird signal through the rca's...like pulsing, which leads me to believe the deck sends power through the rca's..weird but true.

Im thinking of just getting a new deck next week...maybe like an alpine and selling my pioneer.

[Techfizzle]

rca's dont have nuff current rating to run a big amp. call pioneer and ask them

[dcjredline]

rca's dont have nuff current rating to run a big amp. call pioneer and ask them

What??? Yeah yet again dont listen to him. If the amp has RCA inputs then RCA's will run it. Unless the amp is from the 1980's then it should have RCA's on it. RCA's have a lower VOLTAGE (They are not rated by current).

I have never seen or heard of this "Pioneer" problem before and I have been using Pioneer since the late 1980's. The DEH series in question run at an even higher output level than most others 4v if I remember correctly so that is not the problem.

[Tonglebeak]

pio's have rca pre-outs for the amp. 1400 aint overboard. Ive got 2500 watts. Until u get up to 3kw's, you can keep kissing the bumper of my car. Ive seen on car domain where they took out the back seat of a ciera, and walled that mofo with 6 12' subs. Dat thang was sittin on 20fos and was all iced out head2toe, had 10% tint all around.
- keep it pimpin old-skool

Just what kind of amp do you have? Brand name/model please.

I have a 400wx1(rms) kicker amp that absolutely makes the outside of my trunk sound like pure balls. I _highly_ doubt you have an amp that actually puts out 2500w RMS, I really do.

[Techfizzle]

no no no! read before talking. cutlass burnin said he thought the rca wires, powered the amp. I know there is current runnin on the rca's but not even an amp. He thought the actual rca wires themselves provided main power to the amp. Most hu's have a turn-on-lead (TOL) and the rca preouts. The main power for the amp comes from the car battery, thats bat-ur-E and then the ground for it comes from the cars body, make sure you have a clean ground, use some sandpaper to bring it to bare metal.

and for the dofus that said theres no such thing as a 2500 watt amp i have seen a earthquake class d amp that can push 10kw.

[dcjredline]

no no no! read before talking. cutlass burnin said he thought the rca wires, powered the amp. I know there is current runnin on the rca's but not even an amp. He thought the actual rca wires themselves provided main power to the amp. Most hu's have a turn-on-lead (TOL) and the rca preouts. The main power for the amp comes from the car battery, thats bat-ur-E and then the ground for it comes from the cars body, make sure you have a clean ground, use some sandpaper to bring it to bare metal.

and for the dofus that said theres no such thing as a 2500 watt amp i have seen a earthquake class d amp that can push 10kw.

NO YOU re-read it. This is what he said "issues with the signal pioneer uses with there rca hook ups" that doesnt lead me to believe he is trying to POWER the amp with the RCA's!!! Your digging deeper and deeper man, you have no idea.:koolaid: The second post he sent make less senze! And if you were going off that then your right but that wasnt the original question that was him trying some weird troubleshooting thing

[cutlassburnin]

I never said i thouht the rca supplied the power...that would be idiotic.

What i was saying is for some reason my amp was turning on with just the rcas and the control wire hooked up..which was strange.

Anyways I looked through some threads and apparently this is a common problem to get static through the rcas on some pioneer decks. I found a guy who came up with an easy fix..just had to ground the rcas at the deck..sounds perfect now.

PROBLEM SOLVED!:)

[Tonglebeak]

and for the dofus that said theres no such thing as a 2500 watt amp i have seen a earthquake class d amp that can push 10kw.

Dofus? If you're going to insult me, at least use proper spelling and grammar so you don't look like the "dofus" yourself.

When did I say there's no such thing as a 2500w amp? Hmm...don't think I did...although I do think I said that I _highly_ doubt that _you_ yourself have a _true_ 2500w amp. I can get a 2500w Pyramid amp off of ebay for a whopping $90, but guess what? 2500w is NOT its true output power buddy, it's a whole 125Wx2 RMS. If you're basing your amps RMS power based off its highly inflated/bullshitted "peak power," then you are sorely mistaken.

And I ask again, what amplifier do you have specifically? Brand/model please.

[cutlassburnin]

I think when your stating the power of your system you should state MAX power and then RMS power....my max power is 1400 but im sure im making way below that in rms..I figure maybe ummm 700 or so? still rattles your teeth though and with complete clarity.

[Tonglebeak]

I think when your stating the power of your system you should state MAX power and then RMS power....my max power is 1400 but im sure im making way below that in rms..I figure maybe ummm 700 or so? still rattles your teeth though and with complete clarity.

RMS is what the amplifier can push out all day long...MAX power is what the amplifier/speakers can handle for an EXTREMELY short period of time...it can be a really hard bass note, but if it turns out to be clipping instead, say goodbye to your speakers/subs...MAX power means nothing to me, ESPECIALLY when you have these low cost amps that claim to put out 2000W max power or whatever the deal is...

Peak/max power ratings are entirely useless, due to the fact that you can basically come up with those numbers in any manner you choose, and all peak power is is a "snapshot" of the maximum power output that the amplifier produced...again, a "snapshot"...

Manufacturers of Pyramid/Pyle and other crappy amplifiers: "OH HAY LETS SHOVE 217 AMPS THROUGH THIS THING AT 12V SO WE CAN SAY THAT IT CAN PUSH OUT 2600 WATTS, EVEN THOUGH IT'LL ONLY WORK FOR .0001 SECONDS BEFORE THIS THING GOES UP IN SMOKE, BUT HAY SINCE IT DOES DO IT FOR SOME SORT OF TIME PERIOD AND WE GOT A SNAPSHOT OF IT THEN WE CAN MISLEAD ALL OF OUR BUYERS AND NOT GET IN TROUBLE FOR IT!!!!!!"

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-PYRAMID-PB2600-2600w-2C-CAR-AUDIO-AMPLIFIER-SUB-AMP_W0QQitemZ170249868253QQihZ007QQcategoryZ18795Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Hmm...now where is their RMS specification at? Surely since their peak power is so high, buyers would just be drooling for the RMS wattage, right? Right......?...Where is that RMS spec at....Why are they hiding it from us....?

Oh wait, looks like I have to scour the internet in order to find them:
http://www.beachaudio.com/Pyramid-Audio/Pb2600-p-75826.html

Output Power

* 2 x 90W RMS (15Hz to 30kHz) @ 4Ohm 0.04% THD
* 2 x 150W RMS (15Hz to 30kHz) @ 2Ohm 0.04% THD

Oh dear...

See where I'm getting at this? My Kicker ZX 400.1 lists its RMS rating right in its name...400 watts, 1 channel. There are no "Peak/Max Power" claims made by Kicker, mainly because their quality control is extremely excellent and they know that they have no reason to try to fool buyers into buying their amps with useless information that may not even be true...

I'm not going to say that perhaps, this cheap Pyramid amplifier is complete garbage. Used in its proper application (for low power speakers), it very well could be a great amplifier, except the manufacturer's deceptive marketing strategies puts a dark cloud over the product itself...

Oh and lets not get into the fact that the sensitivity of your speakers/subs plays a huge factor in just how much power you need...aww hell, I'll just throw something out there. Got an amplifier that can push out 800W RMS, and an amp that can push out 400W RMS. The 800W amp is hooked to a 12" subwoofer that has an 89db sensitivity rating, while the 400W amp is hooked to a 12" subwoofer that has a 93db sensitivity rating. Now, which one is theoretically louder?

Summary: Don't judge an amp by its "peak power output" (or better yet, don't judge an audio system based on its as well, see: sensitivity), and don't go bragging about it, because a) it makes you sound like a douche when you claim you have a "2500w" amplifier running off of your stock charging system, and b) it's only a measure of how ignorant you are to the facts about what an amplifier can and cannot do. End of story.

P.S: Tech, where did you get your alternator at that can push out 210+ amps? Oh wait...

[dcjredline]

:beer: This will have to do, but I think we need a popcorn eating smily here. This is me kickin back with a beer and watching Tongle go through with Tech what I went though with him at first!

Your 100% right on this Tongle!!!:rant::cheers:

[cutlassburnin]

yup completely.

Ive installed a few decks and amps for friends..and im tired of explaining to them that there " 50wx4" deck is prob pushing 22 watts at the most...and thats the highest rms rating Ive seen on a quality deck.

[cutlassburnin]

ps: have you guys looked into hifonics? they have a titan series with a 1500watt rms x1 rating..that is nutz.

Im looking but im not seeing anything too much higher then that..and why would you want more power than that is your not competing?

[Tonglebeak]

Hifonics is good from what I've heard, although I know that I have absolutely no need for a 1500w RMS amplifier.

[Zaloryan]

The pwnage... :eek5: Anyhow, after seeing this, I know the true audiophiles here. So, I've got a question for you all. I'm looking at purchasing some Boston S series speakers for my dash and rear deck. (Boston S35 & S95) Crutchfield is my source, but I really want to know if these speakers are what will compliment my music tastes. I mainly enjoy alternative rock with classic rock here and there, but mostly stuff like Blur, Cake, and The Decemberists. Clarity is an absolute must! I despise the distortion and reverb from my Infinity Reference speakers in the dash!

I may consider adding one subwoofer later on, but I also want to know what a good brand amplifier would power these low-rated speakers. Their RMS rating is 2-30 watts (S35) & 2-35 (S95) and I've been considering the Profile AP740. It runs 60 watts through 4 channels RMS with THD rating of 0.05%. Signal to noise is 103 dB with a frequency range of 20-30khz, perfect for the midrange and highs my music requires.

In all reality, I want a low-powered full range speaker system with clarity & detail as the main goal versus volume. If these speakers are the ones for my music, I want them to last as long as possible without the amplifier blowing them up.

And finally, the prices:
Profile AP740: $130
Boston S35: $70
Boston S95: $130

Opinions? And again, my source is Crutchfield. If you have a better source, I'm all ears. :)

[cutlassburnin]

I like my polks up front. I get alot of clarity from them and they crank for the size but as with any other speaker..you push them to far and your going to get distortion. mid-volume they sound incredible.

The main reason I went with audiobahns in the back was because I never ment to add a subwoofer so I wanted a set of 6x9s that i knew would add some BOOM factor out of the box..since Ive amplified them they sound much clearer though. I want to see if i can find a set of polks or some other speakers for the rear now that the subwoofer installed.

Keep in mind im 20, what do you think the underline goal was on this project? lol

[Duke George V]

:beer: This will have to do, but I think we need a popcorn eating smily here.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e302/leftventricle/emotes/emot-munch.gif Courtesy of Something Awful.

[Tonglebeak]

The pwnage... :eek5: Anyhow, after seeing this, I know the true audiophiles here. So, I've got a question for you all. I'm looking at purchasing some Boston S series speakers for my dash and rear deck. (Boston S35 & S95) Crutchfield is my source, but I really want to know if these speakers are what will compliment my music tastes. I mainly enjoy alternative rock with classic rock here and there, but mostly stuff like Blur, Cake, and The Decemberists. Clarity is an absolute must! I despise the distortion and reverb from my Infinity Reference speakers in the dash!

I may consider adding one subwoofer later on, but I also want to know what a good brand amplifier would power these low-rated speakers. Their RMS rating is 2-30 watts (S35) & 2-35 (S95) and I've been considering the Profile AP740. It runs 60 watts through 4 channels RMS with THD rating of 0.05%. Signal to noise is 103 dB with a frequency range of 20-30khz, perfect for the midrange and highs my music requires.

In all reality, I want a low-powered full range speaker system with clarity & detail as the main goal versus volume. If these speakers are the ones for my music, I want them to last as long as possible without the amplifier blowing them up.

And finally, the prices:
Profile AP740: $130
Boston S35: $70
Boston S95: $130

Opinions? And again, my source is Crutchfield. If you have a better source, I'm all ears. :)

I'm not an audiophile, I just like to have the facts on things I'm working on.

Regarding the Profile amplifier, I will say that they give you the one of the best bangs for the buck. I had dual Profile HA700M amps powering old Pioneer 12" subs that I got off ebay and the amps barely got warm.

As for the other speakers, I'm not going to comment on them mainly because I'm a Pioneer fan and I don't want to give you false info based on bias.

[Zaloryan]

Thanks cutlassburnin and Tonglebeak, I appreciate it. ^_^

[cutlassburnin]

no problem