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Tonglebeak
10-31-2007, 12:59 AM
WHY THE HELL IS IT SO HARD TO FlND THE BACKING PLATES/CALIPER BRACKETS FOR THE REAR DISCS OF AN 86-88 STE. GODDDDD!

NO, I cannot wait any longer!

TO ANYONE WHO CAN GET A SET OF REAR DISC CALIPER BRACKETS (aka backing plates) OFF OF AN 86-88 PONTIAC 6000 STE, and send them to me, ON OR BEFORE NOVEMBER 10TH 2007.

I will pay you a $75 PLUS the cost of shipping+cost of parts PLUS an extra $5 to cover paypal fees. And I need both sides, with the nuts and bolts and whatever to mount the caliper to the bracket, and the bracket to the hub/axle/whatever it bolts on to.

Electra_T_Type
10-31-2007, 01:13 AM
Its alright, I've seen four STEs but I was only able to pull one set of brakes.

mickstan_VR
10-31-2007, 02:18 AM
Sorry man, I haven't been to a junkyard for a while now. I'll keep my eye out for a set though.

BBrip84Oatsie95
10-31-2007, 03:04 AM
I'm going to the junkyard this weekend.:eek: Maybe next(When I have $ and if they have them, lol) :D

86euro
10-31-2007, 04:46 PM
Wow, I can see this is starting to frustrate you. It took me quite a while to find the disc setup for my car, actually it's the only one I ever ran across. If I find more, you're first in line.

Be patient my young grasshopper;)

CieraSL92
10-31-2007, 10:29 PM
I'm going to the junkyard Saturday for a starter and belt tensioner. I'll look for an STE, but last time I was there I only saw a maroon 90 6k.

Only disc brake a-bodys from the factory were Pontiac 6000's STE 86-88? Any Others? Those are very rare around here.

Tonglebeak
10-31-2007, 10:30 PM
Perhaps an 89 or a 90s STE will work also, but yeah, I think that's all that had them.

What I'd like to know more than anything at this point, is what other non a-bodys came with them? Surely GM wouldn't spend so much time to design rear discs for one car they didn't produce too many of...

86euro
11-01-2007, 01:30 AM
Just the STEs had them up through '88, no other GM cars. It didn't take much for GM to produce them because they used fiero calipers, the same hubs as the drum cars and it doesn't take much to design backing plates and rotors (the rotors even look like the same units used on other GM cars). If it comes down to it, I don't think it would be hard to fabricate backing plates, even without originals as a template.

dcjredline
11-01-2007, 03:23 AM
Well the W-bodies are pretty close in size. Have NO IDEA if they will work but MIGHT be able to get them to work somehow.

LordDurock
11-01-2007, 04:30 AM
dude came down rear drum breaks work very well........its not like you abody is going to drive the autobon......but when and if i go to the yard i will look

Tuddi
11-01-2007, 04:34 AM
Anything and everything CAN and WILL be done, if there is real will behind the wish.

Please take a look at this page here:

http://www.4x4offroads.com/49-inch-modified-patrol-chevy.html

The owner of this car, is the grandson of my grandfather's brother... close family to me.

He already had a heavily modified car, but ... too much is never enough for some people, so he decided for some more.

You guy's can find a lot more modified 4x4's on that site... as I've said before, this is the national sport in Iceland, and they're good at it!

Installing disk brakes from some other model car is not only possible, but probably what you should be considering. At the junkyards, you should have a look at the different cars (probably a good idea to start with GM models) that have disks in the rear. If that doesn't result in anything, you should have a look at other brands, even Japs and German ones. In the end, it comes down to the skills of the person doing the modification, and the tools available.

Tuddi
11-01-2007, 04:42 AM
Yes, they fly in the competitions, and drive on top of the water:

http://www.4x4offroads.com/image-files/off-road-blonduos-07-186.jpg

http://www.hraunfjord.org/1/videos/ggj04river.wmv

This is a small video, showing the many times Icelandic 4x4 champion G√*sli G. J√≥nsson driving on top of a river. I and his brother were room mates in a boarding school, and I'm a good friend of their whole family.

And a streamed one from youtube here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9JD77e21H0&eurl=http://www.4x4offroads.com/4x4-driving-on-water-video.html

Enjoy

Tuddi
11-01-2007, 06:23 AM
What the heck... once again I am finding myself watching Icelandic formula off road videos for hours on end...

... happens every time I touch on the subject.

Sorry for spamming this thread with 4x4 material... but it's my heartbeat... my life-line

Here is a very good short documentary on the whole Icelandic thingy.

http://tinyurl.com/2x9uma

LordDurock
11-01-2007, 03:29 PM
well with padle tires that size and light car. with enough speed thats fairly easy.

dcjredline
11-01-2007, 05:08 PM
If you find that a W-body rears will work there are TONS of them in that yard near me. I can go get you 4 or 5 sets of those!!

86euro
11-01-2007, 11:46 PM
I don't recommend even attempting first gen w-body brakes. They are problematic and really don't work all that great to begin with. Just my two cents.

dcjredline
11-02-2007, 02:40 AM
Did you see there is an 86 STE on Craigslist in Oregon. Anyone in OR that could buy it for other parts. $200

Tonglebeak
11-02-2007, 02:59 AM
Did you see there is an 86 STE on Craigslist in Oregon. Anyone in OR that could buy it for other parts. $200

That would be awesome if they could do that. They'd only end up paying $125 for the car after I pay the $75.

Electra_T_Type
11-02-2007, 03:12 AM
This one? http://eugene.craigslist.org/car/464064638.html

CieraSL92
11-02-2007, 04:04 AM
Yeah I see w-bodys with discs all the time. My old regal had them. There pieces of ****. The pistons randomly sieze, the sliders rust, the goddam rotors warp every time you try to get too hard on the brake. Useless. There are TSB's out on this.

Not going saturday, but tomorrow. Supposed to rain saturday and this tensioner is getting ready to break.

dcjredline
11-02-2007, 01:21 PM
This one? http://eugene.craigslist.org/car/464064638.html


YUP! That one.

And there are OTHER rear disc W's out there that was ONLY until like 96 so take it easy!!

Tuddi
11-02-2007, 07:50 PM
well with padle tires that size and light car. with enough speed thats fairly easy.

2500 pound cars, max speed around 50 mph.
The trick is found in the suspension. If it is too hard or too soft, the car will be jumping uncontrollably and flip over on the water, and sink. The other trick is that the tires are turning very fast (thanks to Nitro), and that ensures it staying on top of the water. (maybe Jesus had paddle shoes?)

Electra_T_Type
11-02-2007, 10:05 PM
Ya know I just found my reciept for all the disk conversion parts except the parking brake cables from pick a part. Came out to this
Caliper x2 16.99
Caliper Holder x2 5.99
Brake line x2 4.99
I just need to get new calipers, pads, rotors, and cables which I think a member from the old forum said they're avalable at Napa.

86euro
11-03-2007, 12:19 AM
Yep, that was me. I get a discount at NAPA through the shop I work for (actually, I rarely ever have to pay for anything I order), so these are my prices:
rotors were $8 each
cables were around $13 each
pads were around $30
I never priced calipers because mine were OK, but I'm sure they are available.

LordDurock
11-03-2007, 07:40 PM
2500 pound cars, max speed around 50 mph.
The trick is found in the suspension. If it is too hard or too soft, the car will be jumping uncontrollably and flip over on the water, and sink. The other trick is that the tires are turning very fast (thanks to Nitro), and that ensures it staying on top of the water. (maybe Jesus had paddle shoes?)

i dont mean to sound rude but nitro adds to you power not your rmp. rmp is a buy produc.the nitro helps keep the power up which helps keep the rmps up so the tires can move enought water to keep you moving fast enough that the "moment" of that patch of water is not over. when the moment ends you stater to sink................
on thouse jeeps the CG is way off center. if you drive something closer the the ground. it almost un needed

also you have to be light enough to do that becuase the heaver you are the shorter the moment is.

Tuddi
11-03-2007, 11:40 PM
Not rude, and quite correct.
Nitro helps keep the rpm up and running, even under very difficult circumstances. The center of gravity on these homebuilt formula offroad competition cars, is very low. These are built to work, not for looks.

Tonglebeak
11-05-2007, 02:04 AM
Anybody have any luck this weekend?

BBrip84Oatsie95
11-05-2007, 02:13 AM
I hope to go this week.

Pontiac6ksteawd
11-05-2007, 10:25 PM
What the heck... once again I am finding myself watching Icelandic formula off road videos for hours on end...

... happens every time I touch on the subject.

Sorry for spamming this thread with 4x4 material... but it's my heartbeat... my life-line

Here is a very good short documentary on the whole Icelandic thingy.

http://tinyurl.com/2x9uma

Its ok, cause beleive it or not, it was semi-abody related. In the following pic is a good example of the ultra rare 88 Pontiac STE AWD

http://www.4x4offroads.com/image-files/49-inch-modified-patrol-chevy-bigfoot.jpg

My favorite color scheme too, 2 tone white. I am pretty sure its a AWD, has the AWD rims, the STE badging I cannot see on the front fender. But I could be mistaken too.

Tuddi
11-05-2007, 10:37 PM
It's Iceland. It's more than likely you are right about it being AWD. Lucky for me I wasn't throwing the thread totally off track... (I have to admit I had not seen the Ponty at all).

BBrip84Oatsie95
11-06-2007, 09:15 PM
Sorry, Tongle. No luck.

Tonglebeak
11-09-2007, 02:12 AM
Two days left...

Tonglebeak
11-12-2007, 11:01 PM
Can't believe this didn't happen :(

86L69
01-06-2008, 02:26 PM
Guys
Will only 86-88 backing plates work? How about calipers and plates from an 89 or 90? There is a junk STE at a local garage I'm going to inquire about it. But I need to know if the 89-90 stuff is usable as I don't know what year the car is yet.

Tonglebeak
01-06-2008, 02:44 PM
Should work as long as it's an STE I believe.

86euro
01-06-2008, 03:07 PM
Not if it's AWD.

Tonglebeak
01-06-2008, 03:08 PM
Forgot about those. Brackets are all I care about though lol

86L69
01-06-2008, 09:47 PM
86euro
You state AWD ones won't work. Do you mean the backing plates won't work with the calipers Tonglebeak already has or they won't work as a package? (and do you know why)
Thx

PS Check out my A-Body, 2.5L FE2 207k and counting:
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x16/86L69305/IMG_5836-1.jpg

LordDurock
01-06-2008, 10:25 PM
86euro
You state AWD ones won't work. Do you mean the backing plates won't work with the calipers Tonglebeak already has or they won't work as a package? (and do you know why)
Thx

PS Check out my A-Body, 2.5L FE2 207k and counting:
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x16/86L69305/IMG_5836-1.jpg

danm get a sander to that body at lest in the rust areas and then some paint...........fast!!!!!!
if you get blake paint you could call it a cow moble ;)

but i think the awd may work but then again i've seen a awd let a long there breaks

85_Ciera_Rebuild
01-06-2008, 10:32 PM
Check out my A-Body, 2.5L FE2

What year is it? Need some body parts?

86euro
01-06-2008, 10:34 PM
The awd is just a completely different setup altogether, I do know that.

BignastyGS
01-06-2008, 11:01 PM
According to the Mitchell collision book I have, they are a total completely different unit. I was searching for an AWD car,but got lucky and located a set on a STE 4 door. If you look at that setup as opposed to the AWD setup,Its nowhere close at all. I have a couple yards yet to scour and if I locate another set, I'll help tongle out before hogging them up for my other GS car. I am trying to get a better measuring system to make the measurements for the backing plates so it will be better understood when you look at them.

Pontiac6ksteawd
01-06-2008, 11:17 PM
AWD backing plates are VERY diferent

I will continue to look for them when I go to the salvage yard this week.

LordDurock
01-06-2008, 11:35 PM
According to the Mitchell collision book I have, they are a total completely different unit. I was searching for an AWD car,but got lucky and located a set on a STE 4 door. If you look at that setup as opposed to the AWD setup,Its nowhere close at all. I have a couple yards yet to scour and if I locate another set, I'll help tongle out before hogging them up for my other GS car. I am trying to get a better measuring system to make the measurements for the backing plates so it will be better understood when you look at them.

yea toggle asked me to build some yea measerment as what i need

Electra_T_Type
01-06-2008, 11:54 PM
Whats up with all these FE2 Cieras coming with steelies/wire hub caps?
Tongle, I'm on the look out too, I've been check 2-3 local yards almost every week.

LordDurock
01-07-2008, 12:29 AM
online junk yards might help as well