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LordDurock
04-22-2009, 02:56 PM
been looking at gettting a older cool car. that i could build but would could be build to handle well. and i found it

1966 corvair with a swaped in 4bbl motor

http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/cto/1118014071.html

i have all the parts i need to fix it (my dad was doing corvairs until the late 80's)
going to put a stock bumpers back on it :)

SilentWing
04-22-2009, 04:30 PM
Nice.... good luck with it :)

LordDurock
04-22-2009, 05:00 PM
going to take a look at it if the guy gets back to me hopfully tomarrow

bubblebob88
04-22-2009, 09:20 PM
Dude get the $100 ricer ring, you're going to have mad power and will need it!!!! (j/k if anyone gets worried...)

85_Ciera_Rebuild
04-22-2009, 09:49 PM
been looking at gettting a older cool car


Several weeks ago, I saw a Corvair "pickup" truck with no engine....I would have to check to see if it is still around, but a local person finds all of these old and not running vehicles, and then resells them.

LordDurock
04-22-2009, 10:28 PM
idk the plus side of this car is that i was driven untill last 4th of july or so. i wont have to deal with the problems of a sitting car.

my dad used to do a lot of corvair stuff........including high pro stuff for road racing (150mph stuff) so he has parts and more parts.......and not as many has he used to. (along with a few spare vairs)

the down side is it a damn power glide.......and it need a rebuild

and no wing i don't want to waste mine money ;)

Burgundy Ciera
04-22-2009, 11:07 PM
Cool! Ive always wanted a Corvair myself, but I like the 60-64 better. I just realized where your at, Im moving to Laramie in late June, in fact i drove through Fort Collins about 3 weeks ago, Nice area back there.

bubblebob88
04-23-2009, 12:19 AM
I think it looks great other than the exhaust, should just come straight out the back, great project!

86euro
04-23-2009, 12:19 AM
Nice, the '65-'69 was a great looking car. Not many around these days though.

Oklahoma
04-23-2009, 01:43 AM
My uncle's always been into Corvairs; he's had three since I've been alive. The last one was a '65 I think, and now he's got a '64. When he got the '64 he said it shared alot of suspension parts and other underpinnings (I don't remember exactly what) with the '65+ models even though it had the old body style.

Techfizzle
04-23-2009, 02:13 AM
i dont know why everytime i read this, the book "unsafe at any speed" keeps poping up in memory, maybe its a bad omen?

cutlassburnin
04-23-2009, 02:47 AM
I love the early corvairs..cool cars with a really neat platform! Id love to do one myself.

85_Ciera_Rebuild
04-23-2009, 03:33 AM
book "unsafe at any speed," maybe its a bad omen?

No...first you have to hit someone head on....those days are about over for most people.

Back in those years, most people traveled on two lane highways...now days, interstates...so your chance of head on collisons have been reduced greatly.


PS: Your odds at being clobbered are higher on motorcycles...

Burgundy Ciera
04-23-2009, 03:37 AM
No...first you have to hit someone head on....those days are about over for most people.

Back in those years, most people traveled on two lane highways...now days, interstates...so your chance of head on collisons have been reduced greatly.


PS: Your odds at being clobbered are higher on motorcycles...


Odds are even higher in an Escort :lol:

LordDurock
04-23-2009, 04:27 AM
i dont know why everytime i read this, the book "unsafe at any speed" keeps poping up in memory, maybe its a bad omen?

tech you will find that nader had it out first for vw (they said FUCK YOU!!! we like a bugs and carmens) then he went after some other caar like that. they said the same thing.

then we went after corvairs. in roll testing it took a skilled driver 10 times to filp the vair in a monover that will flip any car.

there is a restion why the vair is a top contender in all autocross and solom racing. the restion is it was build by GM enginers that loved to race like that and in the later years 65-69 it build just for that. with better handling, posi, high out put motors

a1veedubber
04-23-2009, 04:35 AM
Nice, the '65-'69 was a great looking car. Not many around these days though.

Agreed. The same styling as the 67-68 Camaros, but much better done. Personally, I would love me some Corvan. Greenbriar anyone??? Yes please.

http://www.lccmidwest.org/photogallery/Hoosier%20Suds/hsm%20corvan.jpg

For the record, that car in the CL ad looks promising. Let us know if you get it!

a1veedubber
04-23-2009, 04:39 AM
Back in those years, most people traveled on two lane highways...now days, interstates...so your chance of head on collisons have been reduced greatly.



My Father has told me some pretty interesting stories about driving trucks on the old 18ft curbed highways here in IA. Are current road system is MUCH safer.

And if you want to talk truely unsafe swing-axle suspension, look at a 30's Tatra. It's the Czech car that good old Dr.Porsche lifted quite a few ideas from for his Peoples Car.

LordDurock
04-23-2009, 12:31 PM
Agreed. The same styling as the 67-68 Camaros, but much better done. Personally, I would love me some Corvan. Greenbriar anyone??? Yes please.

http://www.lccmidwest.org/photogallery/Hoosier%20Suds/hsm%20corvan.jpg

For the record, that car in the CL ad looks promising. Let us know if you get it!

own a red one..........used to own a green and white one as well.........
to bad my father never got the stash of parts out of them when he sold them

guy still hasnt emailed me back. going to send a nougher one right now. i really want

85_Ciera_Rebuild
04-23-2009, 07:22 PM
...driving trucks on the old 18ft curbed highways here in IA....

Actually, in late seventies (1970s), there were many miles of two lanes in Iowa with 16 foot wide roads...if two 8' wide trucks met, one had to take a pinch of that grass shoulder.

Most all OTR trucking today is done via interstate driving, until you reach your destination. When driving, one uses a Trucker's Atlas, which has all the details about skinny roadways....normally, you make your best time on interstate roadways...but, sometimes you have to "plow" across two lanes.

Local truckers know all the shortcuts/etc., so skinny two lanes are not a problem.

Safety wise, from 1970 forward, there have been tons of improvements, better signage, wider two lanes, fewer curves, etc. But, it use to be you could not sue the state, in most states, but since many states allowed suits, this has brought about better engineered roadways...there are engineering standards now, where engineers will be held accountable...before 1970s, it was "tough shit," its your problem.

85_Ciera_Rebuild
04-23-2009, 07:28 PM
the down side


I don't recall if Corvairs were Unibody, or X-frame with frame mount setup.

If Unibody, I would be examining that vehicle closely....many of VW rabbits bite the dust due to structural problems via rust over time...you had to junk them.

LordDurock
04-23-2009, 08:46 PM
corvairs are a unibody. my dad being a covair intusist has pointed out everything to look at. i plan on going tonight or Sunday (depending on work)

a1veedubber
04-23-2009, 09:43 PM
Awesome! I hope it turns out to be fairly rust free. And your van totally Pwns my Astro!

bubblebob88
04-23-2009, 10:38 PM
I just reread this ad to find out more about the engine it had, and I found the part mentioning "spinners" this car might be considered something rescued lol keep us posted, these aren't around much!

a1veedubber
04-23-2009, 11:14 PM
I just reread this ad to find out more about the engine it had, and I found the part mentioning "spinners" this car might be considered something rescued lol keep us posted, these aren't around much!

I dont think he is talking about "Bling" spinners....

bubblebob88
04-23-2009, 11:23 PM
Oh, I got worried, the front wheels look like it might of had hub dubs....

LordDurock
04-23-2009, 11:48 PM
they do but it looks like there like the rear ones. withere way.

hey go back to me im taking the $700 for wide tires and 15"

So here's a summary of pricing for the Corvair:

A) $300 - the car only, with original wheels (in the pictures these are on the front of the car
right now) & worn tires, 13" rim size

B) $400 - option A - with the 4-barrel intake & 4-barrel Holley carb

C) $700 - option B - with complete set of 15" rims, spinners & nearly new tires.
(Like the two on the back of the car in the pictures)

D) $800 - option C - with rear wing

a1veedubber
04-24-2009, 01:03 AM
Which ever option you chose, choose one that does not come with the rear wing! It belongs on a Honduh. Other than that, it is 100% win!

86euro
04-24-2009, 02:06 AM
I remember reading that spinners were deleted from the hubcaps after '65 due to government regulations. Something about pedestrian safety, which seems silly to me. If a pedestrian is close enough to get caught up in a spinner, chances are good they have already been clobbered with the fender.

LordDurock
04-24-2009, 03:24 AM
talking with my dad to night. the rimms and tires on that car are worth the 700 ;)
something about the vair using a rare style of gm wheel (odd lug and offset) and wide 15"s were hard to find back in the 70's let alone now.

he does a a full set of the rear tires and wheels.........god that thing will handle

Techfizzle
04-24-2009, 03:35 AM
http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/images/years/1959/wrecked_corvair.jpg

85_Ciera_Rebuild
04-24-2009, 04:16 AM
[IMG]1959/wrecked_corvair

SUV versus Cars crash tests (http://paultan.org/archives/2005/11/17/suv-versus-cars-crash-tests/)

With the abundance of SUVs and trucks on the road these days, the issue of what would happen when a higher SUV bumper collides with a car. Most of the times, the car would slide under the SUV, increasing the chances of fatality in the accident.

LordDurock
04-24-2009, 12:50 PM
your point tech?
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_AmzVxjQm5qM/RuKmywDFDGI/AAAAAAAAA3k/ESkHh5MbKQo/escort+2.jpg

bubblebob88
04-24-2009, 01:13 PM
http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/images/years/1959/wrecked_corvair.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e9/bubblebob88/6-4-05.jpg

?

Tuddi
04-24-2009, 03:30 PM
http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/nejournal/dec2008/1/5/3A4F10C8-DA2B-3B09-692BEB27BEE9D0F6.jpg

I guess that any vehicle can obtain damages in crashes.... didn't you know that Fizzle?

... yes, it's an Escort in the above picture... could just as well be a Hummer, or a Porche or a Volvo...

LordDurock
04-24-2009, 03:35 PM
the thing to take a way from thies picts is (minnis tuddi's) is that the vair and the escort showed little passger compartment intrusion. that is a good thing

85_Ciera_Rebuild
04-24-2009, 06:32 PM
Odds are even higher in an Escort :lol:

Not quite as bad as a Ford Pinto:


DESIGN DEFECTS OF THE FORD PINTO GAS TANK (http://www.fordpinto.com/blowup.htm)


The Ford Pinto demonstrating its external combustion engine.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/7/7c/Car_explosion.jpg/300px-Car_explosion.jpg

turbokinetic
04-25-2009, 01:30 AM
NEAT looking car! Go for it!

LordDurock
04-25-2009, 04:49 PM
okay went at looked at it today.

plus side
it all there, clean motor, no underside rust, driven in the last year (should avoid most nasty mechanl problems aside from motor rebuild)

down side
it has a crappy paint job.....and a few places are starting to show cracked paint and alittle rust like the right fender (not bad i think just going to need to repaint the car right.sand it down ect.... there is one section of rust in one door jam (that part of the unibody) but is doenst look bad. going to talk to me dad about that.

fender flares look like crap up close, and there riveted on (so i guessing weld to holes, and grind when i repaint?!)
holes in the hood and rear deck. (weld and grind again right)
the bumper looks like SHIT. with little piece or plastic and metal riveted on. (But i and he has a set of stock bumpers

looks to be that the insides is compelt and nice enought (less few few lose ends)

so what do we think. 700 for a car and some rare 14" and tires

85_Ciera_Rebuild
04-25-2009, 06:15 PM
so what do we think

Money talks....if you can't get a return on your investment or a daily driver that will get some miles...forget it....imho.

Being unibody, I would be skiddish about it IF suspension/engine is tied to unibody like VW Rabbits were. A-Body is completely different than VW Rabbits, except for rear suspension setup.

For a crap shoot vehicle, my highest offer would be based upon what tires are worth, or what I could sell parts for...offer $100.00 or so, in other words...my last two vehicles were bought for $150.00 each, and with about $700.00 in parts/tires each, they are both good daily drivers now.

LordDurock
04-29-2009, 01:17 AM
got a noughter look today. theres a little bondo on one door. got the "trunk open" there a rust hole in the bottom (about 3 inches long but still there)

the bad some welds in the passenger fender asking about that......that kinda scary.

the funny only two of the four carbs were hooked up ?!?!?!? if that the case that he was running the motor like that. it lost a valve seat because he was running the motor lean. the good news is i went digging in my head stack and found a matched set of 140 heads that are good and clean.

SilentWing
04-29-2009, 06:03 PM
If it's something you really want and have the time and extra money to put into it (which from the sounds of things shouldn't take up too much money if you already own a welder) I'd say it's worth it. They're called project cars because they're projects after all... and it's not like you'd have to do a full restoration.

It all comes down to how much you love the car. You could always offer the guy 600 cash and see if he'd take it, if the motor is in good condition (even if you have to fix some things on it) that's worth some money right there. If it were me, and I had the space I'd do it... but it's up to what you really want.

LordDurock
04-29-2009, 07:57 PM
at this point im not sure...

140 motor is a plus. my dad says they hold to to boost, the have larger intake vavles and right now if a rebuild it with headers i can get 160hp out of it not boost.
the being driven with in the last year is a plus.
rare hardto find 14" that run 235's

the down side
the auto trany (reduced my power and top speed, and manual convresion hard to do.
the motor being trash (most likely trashed cylinder jug form lost of valve seat (like it brock up in the camber) rebuild able but trashed

taking my father (corvair expert) a look friday see what he thinks

if he thinks is fair. ask the guy to take 600 for the car and rims. i really dont want the the holly 4bbrl carb set up. i plain on building me 140 with stand offs that bridge the two carb holes and a holly 1850 for each side.

SilentWing
04-29-2009, 11:20 PM
I think your dad having rebuilt corvair's before would know best, so I'm glad you're taking him with you before you make a final decision. Don't worry if it doesn't work out though, cause now that it's getting into spring and summer those restoration cars are going to be popping up left and right.

Either way good luck, and let us know what you decide.