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Tuddi
11-22-2007, 02:06 AM
These videos should shock the craps out of everyone behind a wheel.

Tasers'R'Us (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMaMYL_shxc)

To protect and taser you to death if need be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3CQ7GYxnGo)

I mean... this is what one can easily depict as something normal in a Fascist country. Last year 300 people were killed by tasers in the US alone... and still that tool of torture is called "non-lethal".

I am flabbergasted.... living here in a 3rd world country, this would never ever be allowed down here. I have lived in Europe for 12 years, working in most of the (then) european union and beyond countries, and this would never have been accepted in ANY of the countries either.

I have seen other fascist cop videos in the past... also originating in the US... I think there is a big problem in your country, and the people have forgotten that THEY are the one's who have to let the policy makers know that it's the PEOPLE who hold the power. Not some fascist cops or corrupt politicians.

In the first video the cop enters the vehicle to search it, and that's without a search warrant. He didn't even read the guy his rights... not even after the guy specifically ASKED him to read him his rights. And when asked how fast he had been going, (the policeman) he did not want to tell. When the guy asked for what he was being arrested, he was not told.

The people need to wake up and end this terror carried out by the public "servants" that think of themselves as being above the law.

I wonder what would happen to someone who actually DID some speeding.

Yikes!

notsoslimshady76
11-22-2007, 02:54 AM
Unfortuately there is a lot wrong here in America. scary stuff. Its not so terrible though. Theres still some good things here lol

Tuddi
11-22-2007, 03:17 AM
Well, when 1st graders are suspended from school for drawing match-stick men shooting each other... one knows there's more than "a little" wrong. 1st graders arrested for selling lemonade from their improvised lemonade stand outside their house in a quiet suburban area. 5 year old arrested (and handcuffed) after drawing with chalk stick on the sidewalk outside his home, playing this hopping game all children play at one time or another.

When I read about such occurrances, I am really glad I live in a 3rd world country where the authorities don't have the time or money to abuse the citizens....

Perudise for me :) It just angers me to see how the PEOPLE have been marginalized by their rulers, and they (the people) have seemingly forgotten that they are the ones who should be giving the authorities the orders, and not the other way around.

Sorry for my rant... I am very political in my views... I think it would be better if I keep my political rants in the proper places :) But the videos are vehicle related... so ... :D

LordDurock
11-22-2007, 03:56 AM
i would like to say that depending on were you live in the us makes a big diffrince. and i dont think thies cases happen all that often.

the frist vid was kinda funny because if that the guy in the car getting pulled over had followed the cop instructions he wouldnt have been in the cuffed mess (if that were me i would have let it played out a little longer to see if that guy was a real treat) .but at the same that cop was over the top.

mickstan_VR
11-22-2007, 05:47 AM
These are isolated incidents. Its a big country. Do the math, with so many people, some of them are gonna be f*ck'd up. And some of them carry things too far. And sometimes you only see one side of the whole story.
And no, its not right.
We haven't forgotton that we give the orders, but it sometimes seems that our elected officals have forgotton that they're job is to take them.

And I'm with Brian, I don't have to love my president to love my country. but I did exercise my right to vote, and was freely allowed to do so. Which is more than I can say for a lot of places. We may not be perfect, but show me ONE place that is. EVERYBODY has some form of corruption running thru thier government. Thats just how it is.

there, I ranted back you. now I feel better too. and i have no problem discussing political views here. as long as we keep it in its own thread only, and we keep it civil. cool?

a1veedubber
11-22-2007, 06:14 AM
Coming from a family with a strong law-enforcement background, I can say that Tasers are a great thing. Anything that can prevent a person from being shot is a good thing. In these videos though, neither person needed to be tasered. True, both of them should have listened to the officers (the second lady was told four times to exit the vehicle) but neither of them was a threat to the officer.
A couple of other things:

Less then 250 people have died as a result of being tasered from 2001 through June of 2007. 300 is one year is an way incorrect number.

A person is not usually "read their rights" at the scene, this is normally done at the Police Station if a person is formally arrested.

A search warrant is not required to search a vehicle, the fact that the driver is being arrested gives them "Probable Cause" to search the vehicle (I am not saying here that I agree with the outcome of this stop though). This probable cause thing can be mis-used, most police officers in this country are not like this though....

I didnt catch it in the first video, but the second lady was going 52mph in a 35 zone. That is 17mph over, most officers I know will pull over a car going that far over the limit.

I am not trying to be a jerk or anything, this is just a topic that is very dear to my heart.I too am a very political person, I do not understand how so many people can be so not-political! In my town of 1700 people, less that 500 actually voted in our last election!

dcjredline
11-22-2007, 03:18 PM
You disobey an officer your a MORON! Period. What SHOULD the officer do when the guy doesnt listen? Physically try to grab him and take him down? Shoot him with his pistol? WHAT are his options? He already asked the guy at least 4 times. I can tell you ONE thing...because of the way MY PARENTS brought me up that will NEVER happen to me. You LISTEN TO WHAT YOUR BEING TOLD and then deal with it. IF the dope would have MAYBE signed the ticket and actually READ it then he MAY have seen WHAT speed he was getting a ticket for! Ever thought of that instead of arguing with the cop about it? :rolleyes:

I have been pulled over for speeding when I wasnt before, I tell him I was going the speed limit and then let him do what he wants to do. THEN fight it in court.

Tuddi
11-22-2007, 03:22 PM
These are isolated incidents.

Every single incident is "isolated"... even when similar ones are found all over the country.


And I'm with Brian, I don't have to love my president to love my country.QUOTE]

Phew... that's a great relief! ;)

[QUOTE=mickstan_VR;2047]but I did exercise my right to vote, and was freely allowed to do so. Which is more than I can say for a lot of places. We may not be perfect, but show me ONE place that is. EVERYBODY has some form of corruption running thru thier government. Thats just how it is.?

Well, now I'm sure you will disagree with me.
You talk about your right to vote. You have been had! It's not a "right"... it's just something you have been told is a right, and most people believe that to be true.

It's not.

Even if elections worked, and every vote would have equal weight and be properly counted, the elections would not make a functioning democracy or keep a functioning democracy.

A civic duty to vote? Well, that sounds more like the tone of a totalitarian state, and that is exactly what we, the people of the world have been fed with over the years. You vote, and therefore you are living in a democracy! (period).

Nothing could be further from the truth. Once people vote, they have given their voice and support to the person they vote for. Once they have done that, they have NO RIGHT TO SPEAK UP. Their voice is now in the hands of their "representative", and it is up to said reprensentative to decide what s/he will do with the power s/he has been given. The PEOPLE can speak up again in 4 years at the next election... when they give their voice to the same, or a new candidate... and then it is time for the people to shut up again.

THAT is the right people are given in the thing we know as "democracy".

A person who does NOT vote, has NOT given it's voice and will to someone else, and therefore has ALL THE RIGHT to speak up and represent him/herself where ever s/he finds fit to do so. A person who does NOT vote, has all the rights intact, and the authorities have NO right to shut such a person up.

If people would understand this on massive scale, there would be no powerbase. The PEOPLE would yield the power, and real DEMOCRACY would be in place.

The system we have now in most western (and other) countries, is AUTOCRACY... where it is the TOP of the pyramide that rules over everything below it. The top of the pyramide is usually

President
Congress
People

or would it be...

Military Industrial Complex
Corporations
President
Congress
People

?

In any case, it's not the people who call the shots on anything.

You want democratic rights and freedoms? Then don't vote.

Me being Icelandic puts me into a cradle of democracy. Iceland has had democracy since the year 930. That's right. 1077 years of continous democracy. But what kind of democracy?

People
Parliament
President

The people are at the top of the pyramide, then there are the politicians who HAVE TO have the accept of the people, and at the bottom we have the president, who has NO power to do anything. The president is a representative of ALL the people in the country, and is by law prohibited to have any political affiliations. The president is obligated to sign laws and other papers parliament presents. Can't declare an emergency, can't make new laws, can't start a war, can't abuse anyone.

I have personally had 2 politicians to leave office the very same day, reason being; they were working against my interests, and they are not allowed to do so according to the law.

No, Iceland is not perfect, but comes close (and I prefer to live in this banana republic of Peru, rather than to be in the civilized world..... mainly because down here we have no beurocracy that resembles the one found in the western world, and I like full throttle freedom).

Switzerland is another example of a country which has a good and functioning system. Coincidentially the US constitution was based on the Swiss one.

The people in Switzerland are given referendums for all major decisions, even when new military hardware has to be bought, it's put out to the people who decide what (if anything) will be bought for the armed forces.

That's democracy in action.

Regarding corruption... Iceland is #1 in the world as the country with the least corruption. What helps most on that front, is that the population is very small (302.000 in total... one Icelander for every thousand Americans). The people know each other and the politicians are part of the public. No one can get away with lies or cheating. The police isn't carrying arms, because there is no need for that. Most people in the country are armed to their teeth, but that's because of our hunting traditions. One of my brother has 4 shotguns and 12 different rifles... I used to have 7 rifles, and was trained by my father to shoot from the age of 5. Yet, with all this firepower, there are no gun-related murders in the country.

Yes, it may sound strange, but it's the reality. Drugs are limited to maybe 50 individuals at any given time. People leave their houses without having to lock the doors or windows... cause no one is going to rob them. Everyone has jobs, everyone gets the education they want, and PAY NOTHING for it (of course the costs are taken through the taxes, so it's not "free"... but still... ) And the healthcare system is in the same way. If you need a new heart, you will have one without ruining your private economy or the economy of your family / friends.

If I would return to Iceland right now ... after 22 years, I could start studies to become a doctor. Brain surgeant for instance, would normally require of me to do my studies in the US or Japan. Not a problem. I would have the whole studies and housing and food paid through public funds. Why? Beceause the country would benefit from such a doctor in the end, rather than having to send brain patients to other countries and pay insane amounts for the operations.

No, such a system is not a "nanny state". It is a state operated in the way the people deem apropriate.


there, I ranted back you. now I feel better too. and i have no problem discussing political views here. as long as we keep it in its own thread only, and we keep it civil. cool?

My rant was longer than yours :cool:


And thanks for the opportunity given to express my basic views on the subject of "democracy".

Tuddi
11-22-2007, 03:47 PM
You disobey an officer your a MORON! Period.

That's true... in a police-state. Not in a free and democratic country. If the officer says or demands something that is unacceptable according to the law and to you as a human, you better stand up for your rights and question the actions of the officer. If not, you have accepted to be abused, and also given a green rubberstamp to the cop to abuse others. That's what happens when nobody dares standing up for what is right.


What SHOULD the officer do when the guy doesnt listen?

They guy was listening, and asked questions, which the police "officer" did not respond to (unless tasering someone is considered an apropriate response).

There was no way he was speeding, judging from what we can see in the video. And when the guy asked how fast he was going, the "officer" didn't want to inform him of that (I understand that is something an officer is obligated to do).... and when the other officer came there, the guy went on a lying rant about what had taken place.

Once he has decided to arrest someone, he is obligated by law, to read the person his/her rights. That's a non-negotiable fact.... and he didn't. Not even after the guy insisted on being read his rights.

I think the cop was drugged... or just plain insane.

CieraSL92
11-22-2007, 04:21 PM
It's common enough for people to make videos about it and point out these flaws. We aren't perfect, but really, if your not going to listen to a police officer and come off with an attitude, you deserve what you get.

a1veedubber
11-22-2007, 05:16 PM
A couple more things..

Iceland has not been a continuous democracy since the 900's

The government taking my money to give it to someone else is not freedom. That is socialism. And our government does too much of that already...

The United States is not a democracy. It never has been. The United States is a Federal Republic. Iceland, being a much smaller country, is able to be a Unitary Republic. That Is pretty much like the US with the individual state governments removed.

A lot of people forget that the original United States was much like a confederation of 13 separate countrys.The Federal Governments job was pretty much just national defense and also settling trade disputes among the states. One of our big problems is that we forget this and give our Federal Government FAR to much power that should instead be held by the individual states. It is also much easier to keep corruption at bay in the smaller state government than it is in the Federal.

Also, our original founding people did notwant a huge standing army. Look at our US Navy's history fighting the barbary pirates (our original foray against Islamic "Terrorists"). We had a h@ll of a time just getting six simple frigates built, but our standing armed forces have gradually increased since then. Unfortunately in this day and age, it is pretty much a necessity for any country of size to have a standing armed force.

/rant :)

Tuddi
11-22-2007, 06:16 PM
if your not going to listen to a police officer and come off with an attitude, you deserve what you get.

A police officer is supposedly a public servant. If he doesn't serve the public, he should find himself another more fitting job.

If defending one's rights against abuse is "attitude"... then it's clear the world needs a lot more people with attitude. :)

Yes, Iceland has it's base in socialism, and that is good. That's why there isn't poverty, that's why there aren't people living in the streets, that's why people are well educated and well cared for healthwise and are not living in their own filth when they grow old and unable to take care of themselves. That's good in my view, and that's good in the view of the Icelandic population. We as people have the power over politicians, and that is something you don't find in any country which is based on capitalism.

I am well aware of the problem in the US understanding what socialism and communism really is, after decades of anti communist propaganda by your governments and media and hollywood.... sorry, but I'm not going into that discussion here...

I have lived in socialistic/capitalist, communistic and capitalist/socialist countries for extended periods of time, and therefore I have a personal experience that exceeds theory and heresay :) There are good aspects for the inhabitants in all the above systems, but the one's that benefit the population in general, the most, are those that have their base in socialism and communism. I don't have a problem with paying my taxes, even in excess, to a system that doesn't rob the money for some whacked war on the other side of the globe, using the money for murdering people, rather than using the money to keep the population healthy in mind and body.

As to Iceland "not not been a continuous democracy since the 900's" ... that's how you can choose to interpret it. The fact still remains that Icelanders never bent over backwards and accepted the rule of Denmark and Norway. The national matters were handled by the people at Althingi, where all major decisions and quarrels were discussed and solved. Even during the times of our occupation, matters were handled by the people. So our democracy has been continous since 930.... but I also reckognize the possibility of calling it something it isn't ;)


The government taking my money to give it to someone else is not freedom.
Well, what if you have a look at the benefits for you and yours, living in such a system?

What is the purpose of having a country, if that very country can't provide everyone in it, with the possibility to have a safe environment to live in, to have access to education and healthcare that doesn't destroy your private economy in case of an accident or health failure? Not everything decided by governments can be agreed with, by everyone... far from it, and there IS a lot of bad decisions and then there is all the corruption that generally is tied up with monetary fraud. That's normally seen in countries not based on socialism. If you'd try to bribe a police officer in Iceland with say... 10.000 dollars (or whatever other amount) to forget about giving you a speeding ticket, you would be arrested and sit in jail for an extended time. The police is paid to do their jobs, and they do it well.

In contrast, here in Peru, you can bribe a police to look the other way by offering no more than 5 dollars. It's convenient of course if you have been speeding or parked illegally or something minor like that... but the police here also accepts bribes if there are bigger issues at hand, such as murders.... and that's where one can see why there should be NO corruption allowed in ANY way.

Here you buy a judge for 100 dollars if need be.



The United States is not a democracy. It never has been. The United States is a Federal Republic.

Absolutely correct to the final dot!

... and it always amuses me to hear US officials talking about building democratic states... when they themselves don't live in a democratic country.


A lot of people forget that the original United States was much like a confederation of 13 separate countrys.The Federal Governments job was pretty much just national defense and also settling trade disputes among the states. One of our big problems is that we forget this and give our Federal Government FAR to much power that should instead be held by the individual states. It is also much easier to keep corruption at bay in the smaller state government than it is in the Federal.

You know your stuff, that's good!

Yes, if each state handled all legislation, rather than having the federal government to put the final touch on everything, there would be much more accountability. Unfortunately we live in a world where powergrabs is on every day's agenda... and I don't think that's going to change until people in general rise up and demand a change in course.

I started one micro-revolution here in Peru, and the people who stood up and claimed their right, armed with whatever weapons they could get their hands on, did get what they demanded, and no charges were brought against any of them. I had been talking to the local people in the jungle while I was there on a 2 month visit, and they told me about how abused they felt as a community, because the oil companies didn't pay anything for using the public transport routes and other crap that came from them (dumping of chemicals into the rivers etc). They had been trying to solve these issues through dialogue for a few years, but nothing happened. I said they would have to stand up and demonstrate their force and determination to be heard. Even with weapons in hand and threaten to use force (but preferably not even fire a single shot). The abuse of the oil companies justified such a response, I said.

Then I was back to the comfort of my own home a couple of weeks later. A month or so after talking to the people about rebelling, I heard of the uprising on TV and the people being interviewed were some of those whom I had been talking to. So I gave them the final push... without actually having planned it. They had been pushed around long enough, and having an outsider like me to put the final brick in place, was enough to start the whole thing.

Small governments for small populations is the ideal scenario.

Sorry again... all of the above is written as my private opinion, and should not be taken as a condemnation of anyone's opposite private opinions. All written with a calm mind and a smile on my butt-ugly face... so... everyone... please don't get offended.

a1veedubber
11-22-2007, 07:43 PM
Its funny that I thought we wouldn't agree on anything! I see that we are not as far off from each other as I thought! I added my comments in bold below:)



A police officer is supposedly a public servant. If he doesn't serve the public, he should find himself another more fitting job. Absolutely right! Unfortunately, some seem to get "power hungry" and forget this.

If defending one's rights against abuse is "attitude"... then it's clear the world needs a lot more people with attitude. :)Also correct! If no one defended they're rights we would all still be living in monarchy's! Well,most of us anyways:)

....I am well aware of the problem in the US understanding what socialism and communism really is, after decades of anti communist propaganda by your governments and media and hollywood.... sorry, but I'm not going into that discussion here...I dont blame you, it can get ugly pretty quick! Also, many Americans have NO IDEA how powerful the Socialist movement in this country was in the early 20th century. The whole WWII thing kind of killed it. Although I don't personally agree with pure Socialism, C.S.Lewis did say that a perfect Christian Society would closely resemble a Socialist State (and he is probably right) .Also, there is nothing unconstitutional about Socialism or Communism. In fact, I grew up about 30 miles away from one of the most successful Communal "Experiments" the Amana Colonies. Do a quick Wikipedia search if you want, it's quite interesting!

... and it always amuses me to hear US officials talking about building democratic states... when they themselves don't live in a democratic country. Me too!

Yes, if each state handled all legislation, rather than having the federal government to put the final touch on everything, there would be much more accountability. Unfortunately we live in a world where powergrabs is on every day's agenda... and I don't think that's going to change until people in general rise up and demand a change in course. Agree completely here too. I often mention to friends that the United States is a great thing gone wrong! I dont see changes coming soon though, most people just seem to worry about material things and then complain that everything is going to crap!

Small governments for small populations is the ideal scenario.I agree eleventy billion percent!


I thought I would add also that I am possibly the only one here that has actually been Tasered before, They are not the horrible things that they are made out to be. Believe me, they IMMOBILIZE you quick. They are great if used for their intended purpose. To me (and officers I know) that purpose is diffusing a potentially deadly situation, which neither of these traffic stops were. Now, if the first driver had pulled out a knife or threatened the officer physically in some way I might agree with the use, but obviously that was not wat happened.

Tuddi
11-23-2007, 01:14 AM
Thank you for your very civilized response. Highly apreciated! And it's good to see that even though we're probably lightyears apart when it comes to politics, a common ground can still be found.

I think the most fitting label I could give myself politically, would be "anarchist"... but in the spirit of anarchism, I am not very much for falling into acceptance of what anarchism is normally understood as.

I think the reality is more along the lines of me not fitting into any known political box...

LordDurock
11-23-2007, 01:27 AM
Thank you for your very civilized response. Highly apreciated! And it's good to see that even though we're probably lightyears apart when it comes to politics, a common ground can still be found.

I think the most fitting label I could give myself politically, would be "anarchist"... but in the spirit of anarchism, I am not very much for falling into acceptance of what anarchism is normally understood as.

I think the reality is more along the lines of me not fitting into any known political box...

now that would be a scary world.

let think about this. we cant excape being govenerened. the best way to show this is no matter what you do there are some sorts of rules. in thinking that we in the US have lost track of what it this means for us. like people have said in this tread and i total agree with is the small small thing. more latter.................phone

Tuddi
11-23-2007, 01:53 AM
... no matter what you do there are some sorts of rules

Yes, that's also why I can't see me as an anarchist according to the standardized label. I would go for anarchism with responsibility. People should be able to do what they want, for as long as they do not violate other people's lives and living spaces... my idea of the "perfect world" is highly complex, and way beyond my own ability to put it down in words. Probably as close to being Utopia as Utopia itself.

dcjredline
11-23-2007, 02:23 AM
So you think that everyone should argue with the police? You think that is going to CHANGE anything? i am seeing (and liking) what your saying Tuddi but I just dont think that is the right way to go about it.

I also agree 100% that our individual votes MEAN NOTHING! The ELECTORAL VOTES are what decides the President and that pisses me off. It means NOTHING how we vote. Which is why (Being a member of AMERICA that served this country) I havent voted in the last 2 elections. I feel like our SAY is NADA!

LordDurock
11-23-2007, 03:14 AM
Yes, that's also why I can't see me as an anarchist according to the standardized label. I would go for anarchism with responsibility. People should be able to do what they want, for as long as they do not violate other people's lives and living spaces... my idea of the "perfect world" is highly complex, and way beyond my own ability to put it down in words. Probably as close to being Utopia as Utopia itself.

okay the word for you is libateraion. im a realist and act in the real and not hopefull world.

LordDurock
11-23-2007, 03:21 AM
buy dj's right dont ague with police it get you in more crap. take it to the courts or something were i come from they work rather will im my area. dont know about yours. but never let them get away with stuff.

Tuddi
11-23-2007, 03:44 AM
No, I don't think "everyone" should argue with the police. Not at all. When the police is doing their job properly, there should be no reason to argue.... if people are ready to take responsibility for their own (wrong) doings. Of course most people are not ready or willing to admit having done anything wrong (I know that you are ... insisting on being responsible for the erronous parts... but you also know that you are in a club of not so many when it comes to that!)

In the first video... from what I can see... the guy was not speeding at all... it actually looks as if he's well under the 40mph limit, maybe he was going faster earlier, but if that was the case, the policeman would not have been able to shoot him with the radar, being in front and all. Of course he was interested in knowing why he was being pulled over... I would be interested in that as well. It SHOULDN'T hurt to ask ... (but it obviously did in his case). It's cops like this one, that give bad publicity to all cops. This kind of behavior is remembered, while the sunshine stories are forgotten very quickly. Sad but true.

The second video is different. The woman was annoying and was probably looking for an argument... The police officer was professional most of the time, and I liked the way he summed up the issues which were the reason for him pulling her over. He told her how fast she was going, that her windshield was broken, that one of her tail lights was out and that she was driving without a safetybelt. No question whatsoever that she had been pulled over due to her failures to respect the laws. But still ... using the taser on her was not justified in my opinion. More time should be given to try friendly dialogue and reach mutual understanding. She would not be able to deny her broken windshield, the dead tail light and speeding (that being on tape). The seatbelt she might be able to argue against, but close examination of the video might also bunk that. So she should have been more calm about it and listened.

I have gotten taser shocks of 100.000 volts, and it's not something I wish for anyone to endure. My case was accidental, but it hurt like hell while it lasted. To use tasers intentionally on living creatures when there is STILL a possibility to talk people down from over-exitement, is (in my opinion) nothing short of torture.

As to voting... I have voted only once in my whole life. Icelandic presidential elections in 1988, and the candidate was the then president Ms. Vigdis Finnbogadottir, the world's first democratically elected female head of state (first in office 1980, re-elected 3 more terms, 16 years in all). She was a friend of the family. My father had worked with her years earlier, and to this day, she ows me a favor I never collected. She was/is a very good woman, and an exceptionally good president whom all Icelanders still respect and love.

Well, shortly after 1988 I started thinking more about politics, but was living outside Iceland, so I could not vote in local elections, but national elections I could had used a absentee ballot, but decided not to, since I did not have the pulse on Icelandic politics, and should not be involved in making any decisions there. Then I reached the obvious conclusion that a democracy is nothing but a big hoax, and I won't be voting on anyone or anything for as long as I live.

If we take the most common system of democracy, it has ONE president who sits on top of everything, and that president has more power invested in him/her than any other person in the country. Then there is the parliament or congress, that's populated with people who each have more power than any other person in the country (except the president of course).
And at the bottom we have the people.... rendered powerless, and subjects to adhere to what the top of the pyramide decides.

In effect that is the structure we know as a dictatorship. Yes, that's right... a dictatorship. People are encouraged to vote their dictator into office, and everyone is so happy about having the right to do so... without ever fully understanding the ramifications of their own actions. People are of course told that they have rights, and one of the fundamental rights is the right to vote (their dictator into office).

I feel that I am fully capable of representing myself, and I am sure most people would be better off by being their own representatives, rather than to give their voice and rights to some bloke they've probably never even seen in real life, and sure as heck don't know as well as they know themselves.

No, not everyone is fit for self-representation, and it would invite a lot of bottlenecks and problems, but if there is a will to co-exist and have a peaceful co-existence, people can acheive that through dialogue.

Well, let me finish this rant of mine for now, and put my face on view for once ( I don't want to give the impression that I am some anonymous bloke on the net who just rants without taking any personal responsibility) :

http://upload.hraunfjord.org/files/TuddiPeru.jpg

And here my beloved 9 month old daughter, the pride of my life:

http://upload.hraunfjord.org/files/GotMilkSmall.jpg

dcjredline
11-23-2007, 05:00 AM
Tuddi = Bruce Willis. Nice pics man. I have ALWAYS thought of this Democracy as a glorified Dictatorship ever since we learned the "difference" between them when I was in school. Its funny how well a dictatorship is HIDDEN inside the democratic way of thinking here in the US. Thank you for so eloquently putting it for us all.

Tuddi
11-23-2007, 05:22 AM
:) Thanks, but Bruce Willis is 11 years and one day older than me... and yes.. he's also better known around the globe than I am... why that is I don't know...:rolleyes:

He may have my haircut, but sure as heck he ain't got my Aussie hats, Cuban cigars or my genuine Icelandic Berserk attitude http://www.hraunfjord.org/1/stills/smileys/susel.gif

a1veedubber
11-23-2007, 05:45 AM
This has been quite an interesting post....your daughter looks like a sweetie too. Kids are great! My daughter turned 5 years old several weeks ago, I just changed jobs to work nights so I can be home with her during the days as she will start school next year!
On another note (pun intended), Iceland rocks! I have been a huge Bjork fan since Gling Gló was released. (90 or 91?)

Here is my daughter messing with my VeeDub:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z269/a1veedubber/GEDC0019.jpg

& us chillin at a park in Winterset Iowa (Clark's Tower). Yeah, I'm a dork, but at least I have a Monty Pythons Holy Grail shirt! :D

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z269/a1veedubber/GEDC0047.jpg

Tuddi
11-23-2007, 06:34 AM
Thanks :) Kids are really the very lifeblood of life itself. I can't imagine life without them.

http://upload.hraunfjord.org/files/GEDC0047.jpg

Nice to meet you and your daughter!


My daughter turned 5 years old several weeks ago, I just changed jobs to work nights so I can be home with her during the days as she will start school next year!

That is very nice to hear. You obviously take your fatherhood seriously, and that I respect!


I have been a huge Bjork fan

Ok, now you will think I am full of ****e: Björk was my very first girlfriend. Seriously.

... and you are wondering: Is he really THAT f***ed up?

Ok, you'll get the true story here: This was when I was in 1st grade. She was being teased by the other kids in class on the first day of school, and I didn't like that at all. I didn't say anything (being very shy), but when school was over, I offered to walk her home (just the way my mother had told me a "gentleman" should do). So I held her hand and walked her home. While going there, I thought: "She's my girlfriend" ... and upto that moment, I had never thought of having a girlfriend at all, so this stuck with me.

She was here in Peru only a week ago giving a concert (a part of her S-American tour), and I went to meet her at her hotel on the 14th in the afternoon, but she had already left the country. Haven't talked to her since 1981 after the "Rock in Reykjavik" concert, and now that I missed her, I'll probably not see her again.

So it's true, she was my first girlfriend, but she never even knew it. :)

notsoslimshady76
11-23-2007, 10:34 PM
I just want to add that I always listen to police officers. I can fight them in court. When I get pulled over, I turn on the inside lights and put my hands in clear view on the steering wheel. I don't want to die in a misunderstanding

And for what it's worth:
http://photos-574.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v61/70/29/24005574/n24005574_30784608_2777.jpg

LordDurock
11-24-2007, 12:16 AM
^same, just treat them nice and if you think you being jacked just nicely say i dont thnk i was going that fast but i quess i was. you can fight itin court and most judges i know are cool. (on i aside not i never gotten a ticket)

also for what its worth
top center ( i dont have many picts of my self)

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb167/lorddurock/filterband.jpg

Tuddi
11-24-2007, 12:36 AM
Nice to have faces to go with the nicks... and from the looks of it, I just may have started a face revelation movement here :)

What I like about this place, is that it's relatively small, and that is what makes it worth visiting... because it is personal. And having our faces in the open, makes it more friendly and personal.

Thanks for sharing!!

LordDurock
11-24-2007, 12:49 AM
Nice to have faces to go with the nicks... and from the looks of it, I just may have started a face revelation movement here :)

What I like about this place, is that it's relatively small, and that is what makes it worth visiting... because it is personal. And having our faces in the open, makes it more friendly and personal.

Thanks for sharing!!

+1 and that you tubbi

BBrip84Oatsie95
11-24-2007, 04:56 AM
I have found that (yes, already) that if you are kind to the cops, they are nice to you. The last speeding ticket I got, the cop knocked a couple hundred bucks and a court date off of me! :D

And some of you may have seen this but...

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x218/NHGC_Vineman/other001.jpg?t=1195883744

Slacker
11-27-2007, 07:15 PM
Very interesting topic. :)

Dare I throw gas on the fire and bring up the Federal Reserve and how it's not even a full governmental system. It's partly a private company, we don't even print our own money... we borrow it from a private bank!

And anyone have thoughts out Blackwater and how we have an almost 1:1 ratio of soldiers to mercenaries in Iraq? Where the mercenaries are making tons of money and our soldiers $40k? Sure it keeps a draft away for an unpopular war, but shouldn't this be a sign that you're country doesn't agree with your cause? To top it all off, we're paying for this out of the Iraqi Liberation Fund!

...feel free to post further thoughts. :P

Tuddi
11-27-2007, 10:50 PM
Slacker... you really dare daring me to continue?

Yes the Federal Reserve is about as Federal as Federal Express, and only a minority of the US public seems to know that fact.

And Blackwater..."Murder Inc." I better get out of that hot potato stew before I start splattering it around the place!

Halliburton and Dick as a former CEO ... how convenient they get billions upon billions of contracts.

And what has been correctly labeled as "torture" for several decades, and outlawed by international law, is now called "intensive interrigation".... The same things the US has convicted Vietnamese "interrogators" of and sent them to jail for years upon years (waterboarding) is all of a sudden not torture, because Bush says "we do not torture"... as if that is all the justification the war-crimes experts need to have to look the other way.

It's incredible how the world has looked the other way (officially) while innocents are murdered in the name of holy oil companies and religious nutters.

.... end of rant... these are issues that are very important to my world view.... so calling it a rant is not quite honest of me, because in my opinion, this is far above ranting material.

.... all I want, is a world where people treat each other as equals and in a caring way. It doesn't hurt to do good deeds to strangers and friends and family. It actually feels good, so I have always wondered what the driving force is for those who make decisions that result in destruction of lifes. Mind crippling to think about actually.

Pontiac6ksteawd
11-29-2007, 02:51 AM
I am to tired to read thru the thread, however as a EX-Cop, I would like to add the following...

This cop violated almost EVERY single civil right that the "subject" had. When he asked his wife is she wanted to take posession of the truck, and she answered yes, he lost ALL his rights to search the truck. Unlawful search..

Its a civil right to be informed of our rights thru the merandah rights. The "subject" begged and pleaded to have them read to him, and the cop outright refused. There is a term for this, but I forget at the moment.

It is the cops duty to inform the "subject" to exactly why he is being arrested or ticketed. When the cop came back and said I am writing you a ticket for XXX, and in this case, with a posted speed limit of XXX. All the cop said was speeding, if the cop had just wrote a violation for speeding, the "subject" cant even fight it in court. All the cop has to say is he was speeding at 42 MPH. Which neither one can verify or dispute. This is also a violation of internal polices to the agency.

Also, a "subject" does NOT have sign a ticket. No one does. If a cop forces you to sign anyways, print SUD or SUP after your signature. Which simply means Signed under Diress, or Signed Under Pressure. Once a subject refuses to sign the ticket, the only thing the cop can do legally is withhold your license, and give you the ticket in place of your license. Thats it, end of story.

Theres just so many violations there.

The second video, as harsh as it may be, she got what she deserved. When you get pulled over, you simply hang up your cell phone, quit shaving, quit putting on makeup, and tell your kids calmly to be quiet. When the cop leaves to run your plate, or whatever, if you feel you have been mistreated, get on your cell phone then, and call for his supervisor to come to your assistance. I did this once locally, and 3 days latter the cop was suspended without pay for direclect of duty for 90 days.

Simply put, cops are power hungry douche bags. When you try to do your job by the letter of the law, is when your captain calls in IA because he thinks your on the take with the local drug dealers or whatever. Once you have a IA investigation on your record, its like being a felon in the law enforcement agencys.

And remember, a cop cannot under ANY circumstances accuse you of being drunk. He can say that I think you might have had to much to drink, but he cant outright accuse you of being drunk. This is considered slander or defomation of character, and a lawyer will have a field day with it. I know from personal experience.

Slacker
11-29-2007, 06:36 PM
And what has been correctly labeled as "torture" for several decades, and outlawed by international law, is now called "intensive interrigation".... The same things the US has convicted Vietnamese "interrogators" of and sent them to jail for years upon years (waterboarding) is all of a sudden not torture, because Bush says "we do not torture"... as if that is all the justification the war-crimes experts need to have to look the other way.


I found that extremely interesting too. It's amazing how they can just re-write the definition of something to justify what they do. Taking a hard look at what the US is quickly becoming really makes you feel as if we're beginning to live in a George Orwellian world... eep.

Oh, and an interesting, yet extremely low budget movie that's might be worth watching is Aaron Russo's "Freedom To Fascism". I wouldn't bother going to the website, it appears after he died it's become nothing but a cheap way for the owners of his work's rights to make some cash. I caught it on a late night public access channel and found it to be some food for thought.

Tuddi
11-29-2007, 08:31 PM
Aaron's "Freedom to Fascism" was quite good ...

What I said about it after watching it was:


... it is a movie about economy, not about politics, and most certainly it has nothing to do with fascism.

I also said:


For my non-american eyes, it was in many ways a typical american propaganda movie... showing the SOVIET flag when talking about what is going on in the US... things that never ever folded out or were planned in the Soviet Union... it is typical because of the massive anti commie scare all Americans have been subjected to throughout their lives. Laughable... but still sad that a failed state as the soviet one, has to be demonized for what the US is doing today.... why not just demonize the US for it's own shortcomings and it's own demons?

It's been more than a year since I saw the movie, so it's better I let the (then fresh) comments stand up for me, rather than try and think back to what it was like.

It's worth watching, but one just has to remember that the title of the movie has little or nothing to do with the contents.

Anyone who needs links to the movie is welcome to ask me, and I'll provide a solution.

LordDurock
11-29-2007, 10:32 PM
sure send my the link but i have to say it rather said that like 10% of russain own like all of russia just sad.

Tuddi
11-29-2007, 10:56 PM
Here it is still found in a streaming version on google video:

http://tinyurl.com/2cvf8y

If at some point in time it will be removed from there, I still have a copy of it on one of my domains, so it would not be the end of the world.

Pontiac6ksteawd
11-30-2007, 09:45 PM
Interesting movie. Only half way thru it...