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Happs
12-07-2007, 06:57 AM
I've owned a 1986 Pontiac 6000 STE, 1989 Pontiac 6000LE, 1988 Buick LeSabre, and 1996 Oldsmobile Ciera. My last car was the Ciera and it was a disappointment compared to the previous three, especially in regards to in town performance, road handling and gas mileage. I like a zippy four door sedan that's quick off the line and not a dog. I've gotten multiple confirmations that the 1988-1991 H Bodies offer a great mix horsepower/torque and gas mileage. Which A-Bodies or other GM cars are zippy in town?

Tonglebeak
12-07-2007, 12:02 PM
My ciera is (and so is skalor's 3.8 turbo, but let's not get into that right now lol).

Was your 96 ciera a 2.2l? If so that'd explain why it was so slow...

Happs
12-07-2007, 05:30 PM
No, the Ciera was the 3100 V6.

LordDurock
12-07-2007, 05:39 PM
the 4.3 diesel is rather nice off the line because of the nice toruge but after that is a rather dogy................

Jr's3800
12-07-2007, 07:03 PM
I guess it will in a manner depend on how you are looking at it..

If we were to look at an A Body that had the Old 3.1... It was good for 140 Hp and 185 Ft Lbs of torque.... But that torque came on lower down the Rev Band, so you had more torque lower down to move the car...

in 1994 GM went to the 3100... This engine made 150-160 HP depending on what car line it was in.. I believe for the A Body it was 160Hp.. And it too made the same 185 Ft Lbs of torque... But its Peak torque was at 4000 Rpms... It was ok, but a little slow off the line..

Keep in mind that both the 3.1 and 3100 in the a Bodies were usually a 3.33 gear ratio when equipped with the OD Trans..


Some of the Older A Bodies and N Bodies that had the 3300 were a little different.. The 3800 Like its big brother 3800 made god strong low end torque, the get you off the line kind of force that a lot of people like to have... the 3300 was good for 160 Hp and I believe it was 200 Ft Lbs, and had a very Flat Torque curve..

The 3800 C and H Bodies of those years had 165 HP and 220 Ft Lbs... A very Flat torque curve... Also good for moving a Big car around... Peak torque on these was 2800 Rpms... Peak Hp was at 4400...

All of these engines have the positives and negatives:)

Prospeeder
12-09-2007, 06:24 PM
My 3.1 in my 6000 with the 3 speed trans is pretty quick, it takes off very nice, very torquey. It gets right up to 60 in prolly 8-9 seconds and it will pass with easy. Now my 3.1 Turbo Grand Prix, its quite abit faster

notsoslimshady76
12-09-2007, 08:36 PM
3300 has torque, but in my experience does not rev very quickly. Making it a slower motor in my mind

Happs
12-10-2007, 07:27 AM
Thanks for the explanation. This weekend, I test drove a 1993 Buick Century with the 3.3 liter V6 and it drove/handled just like a 1996 Ciera with the 3100 V6. I guess I was spoiled with the 1986-1991 H Bodies and 80's Pontiac 6000s.. In the past as rental cars, I've had a 2002 Buick Century, 2000 Chevrolet Lumina, and 2001 Chevrolet Malibu which all felt underpowered. I wish manufacturers would make lighter or peppier off the line cars, which are great for city driving. The one newer car that reminds me of the 6000STE is the Pontiac G6 GT. It's a sprited sport luxury sedan. A pleasure to drive!

Jr3800: How do you like your Pontiac Bonneville? I love the 1987-1991 Bonneville classic boxy body style. It's a stunning, classy looking automobile. I bet the SSE version feels like a bigger brother of the 6000STE.