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CieraSL92
12-31-2007, 02:48 AM
92 ciera, 3.3, 4t60,160k

This car has been used lightly recently, but a recent problem that had only occured once every blue moon is now constant. Upon starting, the starter will crank for a moment then freewheel (sounds like it has lost total contact with ringteeth, starter motor whines and goes fast) I release the key, and it whines down. Turn key again, and this process repeats. If I turn the key to start before the starter has stopped freewheeling, it grinds for a sec then freewheels again. Theoretically, it sounds like the spring or w/e will allow contact for a moment then it slips back. I doubt its the flywheel teeth. Anywho, generally, as you go through this process it will 'grab' for longer periods of time before it starts to freewheel again, eventually allowing the car to start.

The problem that had occured since i've had it, but very very rarely, is that it would just grind when you turned it to start. Turn the key again and it would start


SSSSSo my question.. What throws the starter teeth into the starter ring gear when you start it, and does it wear out

Tuddi
12-31-2007, 06:51 AM
On top of your starter you have a solenoid which pushes the bendix to the flywheel. The solenoid might be bad, not getting the bendix all the way out (unlikely). The bendix might be getting worn out (more likely). Or the starter unit might be rattling loose.... making it impossible for the bendix to get all the way to the flywheel.

Best thing to do, is to take out the starter and have a look at the parts involved. Once you have it in your hands, you will know what's wrong. If the starter is loose, you just tighten the bolts holding it and hope the bendix still has enough life left in it.

ochy38
12-31-2007, 01:30 PM
same exact symptoms happened to me last year, ended up putting a whole new starter in and fixed the prob. only like 80 bucks if i rememer right

Pontiac6ksteawd
12-31-2007, 02:48 PM
Sounds like its time for a starter. Head out to a junkyard, and see if you can locate a 2000+, 3100, 3400, 3500, GM product. Use the starter off that. Its a smaller, compact version, it has higher torque, lighter, uses less power, etc. And at a junk yard, you could probly get a new one for 15-20 bucks.

Jr's3800
12-31-2007, 07:03 PM
I don't think the Chevy Starter will work on the Buick 3300 engine...

But he may be able to use the Gear reduced from a newer 3800 or a Supercharged 3800...

This is what I used when my starter went to crap..

Original on the top... Gear reduced 3800 Starter on the bottom

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Jr3800/91%20Misc/starter02.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Jr3800/th_L67Starter.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Jr3800/?action=view&current=L67Starter.flv)
The gear reduced seems to have more torque to spin the heavy internals of the series I Buick V6 engines


Good Luck Guys:)

86euro
12-31-2007, 07:29 PM
I don't think the Chevy Starter will work on the Buick 3300 engine...

But he may be able to use the Gear reduced from a newer 3800 or a Supercharged 3800...


I have one of the small type from a supercharged 3800 and it looks just like the chevy unit. However, I can't remember if I ever did a side-by-side comparison:o

LordDurock
12-31-2007, 09:18 PM
I don't think the Chevy Starter will work on the Buick 3300 engine...

But he may be able to use the Gear reduced from a newer 3800 or a Supercharged 3800...

This is what I used when my starter went to crap..

Original on the top... Gear reduced 3800 Starter on the bottom

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Jr3800/91%20Misc/starter02.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Jr3800/th_L67Starter.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Jr3800/?action=view&current=L67Starter.flv)
The gear reduced seems to have more torque to spin the heavy internals of the series I Buick V6 engines


Good Luck Guys:)


he sould if he cant find on i have a factory (not a reman on) off a 2.5 (40k). if he want to go the cheap route. it ship it to him and have it tested but i should work.

but if the 3800 starts work on with the 4.3 diesel i should get one beucause my gear recudtion stater is like 5 inches longer the top stater in the pict

CieraSL92
12-31-2007, 09:25 PM
Meh, I'm lucky. I have the worlds cheapest JY not too far from my house.

I'm out of town at the moment, but I'll check it out when I get back. Lordurock, I'll let you know, if I can't find one and a a 2.5 starter will work then yeah, but let me see if theres one closer.

LordDurock
12-31-2007, 11:16 PM
if you take mine and it doesnt work just send it back.

Jr's3800
01-01-2008, 04:24 AM
I have one of the small type from a supercharged 3800 and it looks just like the chevy unit. However, I can't remember if I ever did a side-by-side comparison:o

That I would love to know... If the starters have the exact same drive that would open more possibilities for me...lol

In researching the starters they all have the Same 1.4Kw output.... But the Buick starters Cross to the Buick engines and the Chevy 60* starters cross to the chevy engines... None of them cross to the other..

That makes me wonder if there is a difference in the Starter drive/face

86euro
01-01-2008, 03:07 PM
That I would love to know... If the starters have the exact same drive that would open more possibilities for me...lol

In researching the starters they all have the Same 1.4Kw output.... But the Buick starters Cross to the Buick engines and the Chevy 60* starters cross to the chevy engines... None of them cross to the other..

That makes me wonder if there is a difference in the Starter drive/face

Hmm, I'll look into it. I don't currently have any of the small chevy starters to compare to, so I can only compare the mounting dimensions and drive locations. That should be all that really matters though.