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Buick_powa
02-20-2008, 04:38 AM
Hey there A-body's guys!

I own a somewhat rare 89 Buick Century Custom Coupe equiped with the big one 3300 engine now at 213 xxx Kilometers yeah kilometers cauz' im in Quebec!

I got some projects for this big one! First of all:

Installing my Megasquirt
Custom Twin turbo Setup
Putting a 4T65E-HD transmisson
And if I say IF the 3300 fails to support the boost i'll install a Northstar V8 engine

for now that's it
Some Pics here:
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC00419.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC00421.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC00423.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC00424.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC00428.jpg

a1veedubber
02-20-2008, 05:07 AM
Nice A-body! I love the coupes. 89 is a good year too as you get shoulder belts in back & no gawd-awful in-door front belts! I like the turbines too, they off a T-Type?

Buick_powa
02-20-2008, 05:09 AM
Nice A-body! I love the coupes. 89 is a good year too as you get shoulder belts in back & no gawd-awful in-door front belts! I like the turbines too, they off a T-Type?

no two brand new T3/T4 that might give a good throttle response as the turbines ar not so big :rock:

notsoslimshady76
02-20-2008, 02:55 PM
Nice. Very classy

LordDurock
02-20-2008, 04:32 PM
:jawdrop:.......... so pertty.....i wish my 4 door looked that good

Tuddi
02-21-2008, 04:06 AM
:jawdrop:.......... so pertty.....i wish my 4 door looked that good

Ok... that's doable... step #1 Remove both rear doors.....

Let me know when you are ready for step #2 :ugh2:

Duke George V
02-22-2008, 02:37 AM
no two brand new T3/T4 that might give a good throttle response as the turbines ar not so big :rock:
I think he meant the wheels, which look like they're from a T-Type Century. Good to know you're using the T3/T4 hybrid though, I've heard good things about them.

Buick_powa
02-22-2008, 04:09 AM
for the wheel... all I can say is taht they camed with the car when my parent bought it 12 years ago so they are 19 years old...(that make me feel soooooo old here :rofl:)

LordDurock
02-22-2008, 04:00 PM
Ok... that's doable... step #1 Remove both rear doors.....

Let me know when you are ready for step #2 :ugh2:

i likew my 4 door it just wish it didnt look like this
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb167/lorddurock/82%20buick%20century/DCFC0157.jpg

dcjredline
02-22-2008, 04:56 PM
What did you use for the paint care? Looks nice. WELCOME!

Buick_powa
02-22-2008, 08:04 PM
I use Armor all for the soap Did not gived it a wax job at all the paint is 2 years old got some fix to do so i'm waiting to give it a full compound and wax job

SCREECH
02-25-2008, 12:11 AM
Sweet Century!! I, too, think '89 is the best year - that's the year of my Ciera International coupe. Gotta love the A-body coupes, eh?! (yes, I'm Canadian too, southern Ontario! :rock:)

Buick_powa, your Century is pretty much exactly like what I'd be looking for if I ever get into another A-body project - I'd want to make a slightly updated Century GS concept out of it. You've got the right colour to start with! :D

Zaloryan
02-25-2008, 11:32 PM
Beautiful coupe! My Ciera Sedan will soon look that nice, just a little light blue. :cool:

Btw, great idea with the twin turbos. I wish I knew the first thing about choosing a turbo.:(

Buick_powa
02-26-2008, 03:34 AM
Btw, great idea with the twin turbos. I wish I knew the first thing about choosing a turbo.:(

you need to know how much CFM you need at WOT so you can choose the turbo for this application.

I opted for T3/T4 for the small exhaust trim that will give good throttle response and an amazing acceleration and as i'm going to use it for drag racing at much time this is important!

as well these turbos will not handle many pound of pressure so might need to replace these with an other set when i wanna boost a little more...

Zaloryan
02-28-2008, 01:28 AM
I guess my application is...3.3L V6. I'd like my turbo to be set up to kick into gear when I'm already going about 45 mph to WOT. At the same time, I'd like it to be used for drag racing. More for highway, less for drag racing. ;)

LordDurock
02-28-2008, 05:25 PM
intressing i just want a small turbo that will give me 4-5psi of boost for my 4.3 (cant be blowing the tops out of my pistions at 23.5:1 comp ratio :D)

centurycoupe
02-28-2008, 08:49 PM
nice car ! finally another coupe on here . where is albanel q.c.?

Electra_T_Type
02-28-2008, 09:56 PM
Nice, black looks awesome on one!
Hmm do you have the Gran Touring package? Probably by judging be your wheels.

Buick_powa
02-28-2008, 10:16 PM
nice car ! finally another coupe on here . where is albanel q.c.?

Albanel: http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=fr&geocode=&q=Albanel&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=36.352524,82.265625&ie=UTF8&z=15&iwloc=addr


Nice, black looks awesome on one!
Hmm do you have the Gran Touring package? Probably by judging be your wheels.

I guess so what does include the Gran Touring package other than the wheels?

turbokinetic
03-01-2008, 01:14 PM
That's a great looking car! I wish I had been able to find a coupe to build my hotrod!! Love the black and "turbine" wheels!

I used a T3/T4 on my iron-head 60°V6 engine. It has 3.2 liters or actual displacement. Can't remember the A/R ratio at the moment. While I did completely design and fabricate the turbo system from scratch; I let the turbo manufacturer (Turbonetics) spec out the turbine and compressor sizes. They needed the engine displacement, RPM range and desired HP.

It has a smallish exhaust housing, for bottom end and midrange. It will spool up at 2000 RPM and the acceleration is incredible. Will easily haze the tires.

The 3300 is a Buick 90°V6, directly decended from the mighty 3.8 SFI turbo. Those engines are massively overbuilt and can hold mid-10 PSI boost levels in stock form if your engine management system keeps the AFR and knock under control.

My 60° motor has been very durable, but it has taken 3 or 4 transmission modifications and repairs to get it to hold up. The engine will take 15 PSI but the transmission is overwhelmed. I had to turn it back to 13, and it is still just barely on the ragged edge of sanity.

To make any "serious" power, you must use air charge cooling such as an intercooler. When I installed the intercooler, it added as much power again as the turbo added initially.

Wanting a trouble-free system, I used a water-cooled / oil-lubricated ceramic ball bearing turbo. It took more tubelines and fabrication time but it was worth it. No special shutdown procedures needed and no turbo-lag to speak of.

You will have to do some engine management system work to get the 3300's metered-air EFI system working correctly. Just be prepared to do some serious tuning and possibly installation of additional sensors and hardware. I converted to 2-BAR speed density to sidestep all that mess.

Go for it, you will never look back!

David

Buick_powa
03-06-2008, 09:42 PM
i'm going to use Megasquirt II stand-alone this might work!

85_Ciera_Rebuild
03-07-2008, 02:09 AM
i likew my 4 door it just wish it didnt look like this


Btw, what year is that vehicle?

I've got 1987 Olds Ciera I'm parting out...I'd have to look, but I think the fender/doors are intact.

I know I could get the parts to Denver area in a month or two...

LordDurock
03-07-2008, 02:33 AM
its an 82 (yay i get coltor plates im hardcore jk) i only need a drivers door and to make a cut and fix the pass red pantle. (yuck) over all i think it will be fine for know are you every going to come up my way for that trany.

Jr's3800
03-07-2008, 10:28 PM
The 3300 is a Buick 90°V6, directly decended from the mighty 3.8 SFI turbo. Those engines are massively overbuilt and can hold mid-10 PSI boost levels in stock form if your engine management system keeps the AFR and knock under control.



David

Borrowed this from one of our BC club members.. He is currently in teardown mode on his L27 3800 TPI motor... The LN3 is the same, as well as the 3300... All of these engines were descended from the GN 3.8.. The rod Piston assembly is beefier than it ever had to be.. :)
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n142/BlueOval390/Engine%20Swap/EngineSwap54.jpg

Buick_powa
03-08-2008, 12:43 AM
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n142/BlueOval390/Engine%20Swap/EngineSwap54.jpg

These are big one! :jawdrop:

And the 3300 have the same crank as the 3800 have! So 3300 crank/rod assy is simply TOO strong! You simply CAN'T destroy an engine like this in normal use! Well I've already saw a 3300 engine at 500 000 Km! al original! In a Lumina van. I was like: Holy shit how can this be real?!??!:eek3:

LordDurock
03-09-2008, 04:46 AM
Borrowed this from one of our BC club members.. He is currently in teardown mode on his L27 3800 TPI motor... The LN3 is the same, as well as the 3300... All of these engines were descended from the GN 3.8.. The rod Piston assembly is beefier than it ever had to be.. :)
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n142/BlueOval390/Engine%20Swap/EngineSwap54.jpg

:jawdrop: that like something you would find a gm 350..................massive.

isnt the 3300 a 60 degree V6

Buick_powa
03-09-2008, 02:26 PM
:jawdrop: that like something you would find a gm 350..................massive.

isnt the 3300 a 60 degree V6

nop it's a 90 degrees

LordDurock
03-09-2008, 09:43 PM
hum i though it was a 60 at list the on in the 89 buick skylark looks like a 60.

Buick_powa
03-10-2008, 04:51 AM
hum i though it was a 60 at list the on in the 89 buick skylark looks like a 60.

well the 60 degrees v6 familly contain these engines:

The 2.8 L 60° V6 was used in the following vehicles:

* 1988-1989 Buick Regal
* 1987-1990 Chevrolet Beretta
* 1987-1989 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24
* 1987-1990 Chevrolet Corsica
* 1987-1989 Pontiac 6000
* 1988 Pontiac Grand Am
* 1988-1989 Pontiac Grand Prix

The 3.1 L 60° V6 was used in the following vehicles:

* 1994-2006 Buick Century
* 1989-1996 Buick Regal
* 1994-1998 Buick Skylark
* 1990-1993 Chevrolet Beretta
* 1990-1992 Chevrolet Camaro
* 1990-1994 Chevrolet Cavalier
* 1990 Chevrolet Celebrity
* 1991-1996 Chevrolet Corsica
* 1990-1995 Chevrolet Lumina APV
* 1994-1996 Oldsmobile Achieva
* 1990-1996 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
* 1994-1996 Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera
* 1990-1995 Oldsmobile Silhouette
* 1988-1991 Pontiac 6000
* 1990-1992 Pontiac Firebird
* 1989-1996 Pontiac Grand Am
* 1990-1996 Pontiac Grand Prix
* 1991-1994 Pontiac Sunbird
* 1990-1995 Pontiac Trans Sport

3.4L/3400

GM produced three 3.4L variants of the 60° block: The L32, a normal large-bore OHV descendant of the 3.1L (not to be confused with the 90° Series III L32 supercharged), the LA1, and a performance-oriented DOHC version, the LQ1.

[edit] L32

The power rating of the 3.4 L L32 used in the Camaro and Firebird was 160 hp (120 kW ) @ 4,600 rpm and 200 ft·lbf (270 Nm) torque @ 3600 rpm.

Applications:

* 1993-1995 Chevrolet Camaro
* 1993-1995 Pontiac Firebird

[edit] LQ1

The LQ1 (also called the Twin Dual Cam) was a special DOHC version of the 3.1 L LH0 V6. It was built from 1991 to 1997. From 1991 to 1993, it used tuned multi-port fuel injection, made 200-210 HP (150-160 kW) @ 5200 RPM and 215 ft·lb (290 Nm) of torque @ 4000 RPM. From 1994 to 1997, it used sequential port fuel injection, making 215 hp (160 kW) @ 5200 rpm and 225 ft·lbf (300 Nm) of torque @ 4000 rpm. It had four large valves per cylinder. The 3.4 L engine used a cogged belt to drive the four overhead camshafts. Adapting a pushrod block for the LQ1's overhead cams was difficult, and the 60° angle made this a very tall engine, but power output was impressive.

Bore was increased to 92 mm, but the 3.1 L engine's 84 mm stroke was retained. There are only a few interchangeable parts between this DOHC engine and other members of the 60° family, namely the connecting rods and crankshaft.

The heads and intake manifolds were redesigned for the 1996 model year, incorporating a larger throttle body and plenum area, slightly shorter intake runners, cloverleaf combustion chambers, and larger "pill"-shaped exhaust ports. Camshafts and cam timing were also revised for the new, higher RPM powerband.

Applications:

* 1991-1994 Chevrolet Lumina Z34 and the Euro 3.4 sedan
* 1991-1995 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
* 1991-1996 Pontiac Grand Prix
* 1995-1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z34
* 1995-1997 Chevrolet Lumina LS
* 1997 Chevrolet Lumina LTZ

[edit] LA1

The LA1 3400 was a bored-out version of the LG8. It retained the OHV layout of the previous engine, and was first utilized on the 1996 U platform minivans and appeared in a car for the first time in the 1999 Pontiac Grand Am and Oldsmobile Alero. A 92 mm (3.6 in) bore with the same 84 mm (3.3 in) stroke brought the displacement to 3.4 L (3350 cc). Like the LG8, the LA1 featured numerous common parts with the similar GM High Value engine family. Power was up to 170 hp-185 hp (127 kW to 138 kW) and torque was 210 ft·lbf (280 N·m). The 3.4 L engine is known to be unreliable, usually the result of premature failure of head gaskets.

It is used in the following:

* 1996 Chevrolet Lumina APV/Pontiac Trans Sport/Oldsmobile Silhouette
* 1997-2004 Chevrolet Venture/Pontiac Montana/Pontiac Trans Sport/Oldsmobile Silhouette
* 1999-2004 Oldsmobile Alero GL/GLS
* 1999-2005 Pontiac Grand Am SE/GT
* 2002-2005 Pontiac Aztek/Buick Rendezvous
* 2000-2005 Chevrolet Impala
* 2000-2005 Chevrolet Monte Carlo

LB8

The LB8 is General Motors' base V6 in China. It is a derivative of the LG8 with the same 89 mm bore and a shorter 66.7 mm stroke for 2.5 L (2490 cc). It is still an iron block with pushrods and an aluminum 2-valve head. Power is 145 hp (108 kW) and 155 ft·lbf (210 N·m). It is built by Shanghai GM in Shanghai, China.

Applications:

* Buick GL/GLX (China)

[edit] LW9

The LW9 is a larger version of the LB8 with an 80 mm stroke for 3.0 L (2986 cc). Power is 170 hp (127 kW) and torque is 185 ft·lbf (251 N·m).

Applications:

* Buick GL/GLX/GL8 (China)
* Buick LaCrosse

[edit] LNJ

The 3.4 L LNJ is a modified version of the normal 3400 engine. It includes a modified intake manifold, oil pan, engine cover, and fuel system as well as electronic throttle control. It is built in China and imported to Canada for use in the Chevrolet Equinox and Pontiac Torrent. The LNJ makes 185 hp (138 kW) and 210 lb·ft (285 N·m).

All these engine were used in FWD GM cars even in China for the LB8, LW9 and LNJ

Also GM created the LG5

The LG5 was a special 3.1 L turbocharged engine produced with McLaren for just two years, 1989 and 1990. It featured the same multi-port fuel injection intake manifolds and throttle body as the LH0, but cranked out 205 hp (153 kW) at 5200 rpm and 225 lb·ft (305 N·m) of torque at 2100 rpm. Approximately 3,700 engines were produced each year. This engine had a block with more nickel content and hardened internals.

This engine is notable, along with other GM turbo engines of the era (such as that found in the Typhoon/Syclone), for the ease with which significant performance gains can be realized with relatively pedestrian modifications.

Applications:

* 1989-1990 Pontiac Grand Prix Turbo

Pretty good engine but does anyone have seen one of these Grand Prix Turbo?

Jr's3800
03-10-2008, 06:54 PM
I don't know where that table came from but some of the info is Flawed...

For instance, the 85-91 Grand Am's never use a 60*...

There were Tech 4's, 2.0 Turbos, and or your choice of a 3.0 90* Buick V6( HO )... 88-91 you either got the Tech 4, or the Quad 4 DOHC..

in 92-93 You either got the Quad 4 SOHC, Quad 4 DOHC or the 90* 3300 Buick V6

1994 was the first year for a 60* in the Grand AM and the Vin M 3100 was used through the 98 Model year attached to the 4T60-E... As well 1994 was also the first year that the 4T60-E was standard regardless of engine... lol

Now lets take an example... Say 87 model year... And say it was a Buick Century.... In this case you pretty much had your choice of engines ranging from the 2.5 Tech 4, 2.8 V6, 3.0 V6 and or the 3.8 V6, and then depending on the engine choice you may have had a THM125 or the THM440T4..... Engines like the 2.8 and 3.0 could have had either Trans...lol Man doe it get confusing:lol:

LordDurock
03-10-2008, 07:03 PM
it is a 90 just a SMALL 90. okay

Electra_T_Type
03-10-2008, 07:33 PM
Albanel: http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=fr&geocode=&q=Albanel&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=36.352524,82.265625&ie=UTF8&z=15&iwloc=addr



I guess so what does include the Gran Touring package other than the wheels?

Wheels (14x6.5 on Centurys) , FE2/F41 supension, and a sport steering wheel.

Buick_powa
03-10-2008, 10:40 PM
Now lets take an example... Say 87 model year... And say it was a Buick Century.... In this case you pretty much had your choice of engines ranging from the 2.5 Tech 4, 2.8 V6, 3.0 V6 and or the 3.8 V6, and then depending on the engine choice you may have had a THM125 or the THM440T4..... Engines like the 2.8 and 3.0 could have had either Trans...lol Man doe it get confusing:lol:

just a little bit! :ugh:

Source: Wikipedia

Jr's3800
03-11-2008, 09:40 PM
Yeah GM did a lot of strange stuff over the years... Engine and Trans Combinations were nuts.. But in the later years that got pretty streamlined:)

Buick_powa
04-29-2008, 10:41 PM
okay guys my project started these last days!

First removed the audio and the battery for a slow full charge
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC00402.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC00403.jpg

I've ordered a nice cam from Crower the Baja beast (or stage 3 if you like) as my garage is god's one... i simply can't work anyday on it

http://www.crower.com/images/pi/03141cam14.jpg

next step is to remove the manifold on both side and try to find a way to wield the turbo flanges on them! got to remove the washer fluid and cruise control unit too and relocate battery in the trunk (a bigger one something like 1000CCA)

Ho by the way i was wondering if i had to completely remove the engine from the car ta change my cam shaft?

have a nice day!

jinxtigr
04-30-2008, 01:09 AM
I shall be following your career with GREAT interest! ;)

(because my Fluffy has a 3300 engine as well, in very decent condition including the tranny, and I'm sure to keep finding ways to tweak it. Great to read about the heavyduty rods and boost limits)

Duke George V
04-30-2008, 02:04 AM
Your options on installing the cam are pulling the engine or cutting a hole in the passenger wheel well.

Buick_powa
04-30-2008, 02:12 AM
Your options on installing the cam are pulling the engine or cutting a hole in the passenger wheel well.

I think the hole is the best solution here... i alway can reweld it in place after the operation... But i've got to instal some stuff in the engine...

Btw i'm trying to find a garage where I can do all the work... this might be really helpful!

I got over 1000$ rods to put in and near 800$ pistons too this might be STRONG! Coupling a 4T65E-HD on this engine will even upgrade the fun! the hard way here is to match the ECM qith my engin for sensor reading as i'm going to use Megasquirt II to control injection on that one this might be some hours of head scratchin.... but going to have fun thought!

jinxtigr
04-30-2008, 02:57 AM
Wow, my mechanic would shrivel up and die listening to you. He's the one who's resistant to me putting even a few hundred $ into my Century, and it's four years newer than yours :)

I thought the rods were already pretty bulletproof? Why expensive new rods? Mind you, nothing _I'm_ doing would require them. I got nothin. Except a Borla exhaust to install, and an amazing homebrew cold-air intake complete with ram-air feeder duct. But that's far from a twin turbo :)

Buick_powa
04-30-2008, 03:14 AM
yeah i've got some expensive taste and i want to be unique on this point! I dont want to tune a civic... that sound crapy to me...

yes the rods are "bulletproof" but at 20 psi... they might find it a bit more tough to support....

Performance and fiability cost money why always have to replace parts if I already do the BIG job under the hood the rest is going to be maintenance. My dad told me to not put a cents on this car but 4 years later he called me back and told me he will transfer the papers to me! (I was some kind happy(trying not to scream like a child XD))

Jr's3800
04-30-2008, 03:23 PM
Are the Pistons going to be forged and coated? And what CR will you be running? as well what is the Total valve lift for that cam... Also is that cam a roller cam? Maybe the pic is not the right representation for the cam?

LordDurock
04-30-2008, 05:09 PM
hope you bough lower comprestion pistions or plan on taking metal out of the heads................how will the crank hold up to this. and what rpm range is your cam good for?

Buick_powa
05-01-2008, 03:16 AM
Are the Pistons going to be forged and coated? And what CR will you be running? as well what is the Total valve lift for that cam... Also is that cam a roller cam? Maybe the pic is not the right representation for the cam?

yes these pistons are going to be cutom made on my demand by JE normal CR is 9.0:1 on 3.3 I think running this one is suicide i think taking it down to 8.0:1 or lower

Lift intake exhaust
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hope you bough lower comprestion pistions or plan on taking metal out of the heads................how will the crank hold up to this. and what rpm range is your cam good for?

Yes i will buy low compression pistons specially made by JE the crank have the same spec than the L67 so if I feel a bit rich i'll go get one!

RPM Power Range: 1800 to 4500 / Redline: 6000 plus.

Jr's3800
05-01-2008, 12:40 PM
8.0 : 1 sounds like a good deal to me for what you are looking to do with this engine... Yes stock for the 3300 was 9.0 : 1 ...

Not a bad valve lift at all... I'll have to say the Duration is extended a bit over stock as well.. At the least its a dual pattern cam..

Will be interesting to watch.. I have always wanted to take a 3300 and attach an M62 Eaton blower to it....lol:)

skalor
05-01-2008, 02:10 PM
I think 8.0:1 compression is too low unless you want to run a lot of boost to make up for it. I'm running a stock L67 bottom end with 8.5:1 compression and I run 14 psi on 93 octane without getting knock. This is using a Turbonetics 60-1 with a P-trim turbine wheel in a .68 A/R turbine housing. It put down 376 horsepower at the wheels on a 100% stock internals. Also, why a twin turbo setup?? Why not just go with at single turbo and make it easier??

Buick_powa
05-01-2008, 10:33 PM
I think 8.0:1 compression is too low unless you want to run a lot of boost to make up for it. I'm running a stock L67 bottom end with 8.5:1 compression and I run 14 psi on 93 octane without getting knock. This is using a Turbonetics 60-1 with a P-trim turbine wheel in a .68 A/R turbine housing. It put down 376 horsepower at the wheels on a 100% stock internals. Also, why a twin turbo setup?? Why not just go with at single turbo and make it easier??

well that what i'm going on High boost.

And why twin turbo?.... I love challenge and unique stuffs :)

Buick_powa
06-08-2008, 01:47 AM
some updates:

Removing the front end! (http://s217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/?action=view&current=6eadb80c.pbw)

Making some space! (http://s217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/?action=view&current=5d8844cf.pbw)

centurycoupe
07-06-2008, 11:20 AM
awww man did u bang up that car already?

CieraSL92
07-06-2008, 04:31 PM
Ah that takes me back.. I never bothered to remove the bumper cover seperate from the actual bumper though-removed both as an assy. Too many pushpins to get out in such a cramped space

brp2z
07-06-2008, 06:15 PM
nice
i like coupes

and i have those obnoxious door seat belts

cutlassburnin
07-07-2008, 04:16 AM
Welcome man!

I swear we needa get an a-body cruise going or something. I tried to get a fwd gm crew going at my local meets but nobody got pride in their ride.lol

mmmm......a tt buick. Do it right and itll be one of those ultimo-sleepers. Do it wrong and itll still be sweet to watch...just for another reason.

DO IT

im planning a a t3/t4 implant but the economy blows and boost aint always cheap...plus i cant afford to eat a tranny or an axle at the moment.

Buick_powa
07-08-2008, 10:17 PM
Welcome man!

I swear we needa get an a-body cruise going or something. I tried to get a fwd gm crew going at my local meets but nobody got pride in their ride.lol

mmmm......a tt buick. Do it right and itll be one of those ultimo-sleepers. Do it wrong and itll still be sweet to watch...just for another reason.

DO IT

im planning a a t3/t4 implant but the economy blows and boost aint always cheap...plus i cant afford to eat a tranny or an axle at the moment.

I'm going to do it one time and do it right! also for tranny and axles... try Grand Prix GTP tranny and GrandAm Axles storng enought!

cutlassburnin
07-09-2008, 12:09 AM
hmm....I really need to find some source on the torque handling on the tranny i have..Id like to know the max since im only planning on putting down around 250 horse...more than enough to push around my 2900lb car.

cutlassburnin
07-09-2008, 12:13 AM
and where did ya find that cam?..i want her :)

Buick_powa
07-09-2008, 04:46 AM
that cam does not fit this is for a distibutor ignition engine maybe (read here MAYBE) the 3800 may fit

cutlassburnin
07-09-2008, 12:52 PM
yea i searched ever catalog i have stacked on the self and i couldnt find a single one for our engines....I could always go to my local drag shop and get a regrind but thats not going to be cheap...Id love to leave my engine with those guys for a few months though if i had the cash.

Buick_powa
07-09-2008, 10:37 PM
I might think that the 3800 cam can work in the 3300 block as the 3800 and 3300 have the same block length... I might take some mesures to check this out

Buick_powa
07-13-2009, 04:24 AM
ok guys after nearly 1 year off the forum i'm back again!

Here some work pics ;) :

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC00616.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC00615.jpg

harness crack down:
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC00731.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC00730.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC00729.jpg

Videos of it running on MS-II
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/th_MOV00915.jpg (http://s217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/?action=view&current=MOV00915.flv)
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/th_MOV00914.jpg (http://s217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/?action=view&current=MOV00914.flv)

Making a clean looking Harness for the MS-II
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01061.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01062.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01063.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01064.jpg

Tagging everything
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01065.jpg

MS-II relay board:
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01066.jpg

Buick_powa
07-13-2009, 04:25 AM
Making some space:
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01068.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01069.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01070.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01071.jpg

Anyone want a muffin recipe?
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01072.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01073.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01074.jpg

Some stuff useds:
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01075.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01076.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01077.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01078.jpg

Back to work:
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01079.jpg

Retaining stock ECU mount
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01080.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01081.jpg

Buick_powa
07-13-2009, 04:26 AM
Nearly done:
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01082.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01083.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01084.jpg

Think i've got it :o :
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01128.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01129.jpg

Everythiong plugged in the Relay board. The big "Chrome" connector is what connect the Realy board to the MS-II ECM.
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01130.jpg

Metro666
07-13-2009, 05:01 AM
Hey Hey neighbor!! Happy to see you back on the board!!
Hope to see this Century soon!!
Good luck with the project!!!:rock:

turbokinetic
07-13-2009, 12:30 PM
Hey glad you're back, VERY nice pictures, really appreciate your posting them here! That's quite a project.

The harness looks good - Judging from the tools you have there, and the quality of work shown - you must do that type of work often!

Did you assemble your own MS-II ECU? I have never used MS or MS-II, and will be interested to see how it does for your project. The main thing I'm curious about is the tuning phase. With my crazy retrofits and modifications, I've used a stock ECU and had a "baseline" fuel map to start from. Yours is a blank slate, right?

Just a couple questions (due to not knowing about MS-II)

-Will it control the lockup torque converter?
-Will it work with the knock (detonation) sensor?
-Does it control the stepper motor IAC (or use a different idle air control)
-And finally, this is the car that's going to get a turbo, right?

I only have a slow air-card internet here, so I can't really watch the videos. Hopefully will see them next time I'm in town!

Thanks!
David

turbokinetic
07-13-2009, 12:51 PM
Finally got to watch the videos. Doesn't sound bad at all!

When I first got my turbo 3.8 running, it ran rough at idle and seemingly nothing would smooth it out. I could adjust the injector constant too far rich until it "loped" or too far lean until it stalled, and no where in between would it run smooth.

With the fuel at it's "smoothest" I could add advance to the timing until it loped, or remove advance until it had that "old tractor" sound, but it still was rough.

The problem was..... OLD FUEL and partially plugged injectors. Car had been sitting for a year with bad engine before I got it running. I put in a tank of fresh premium fuel, and some Lucas injector cleaner. By the time that tank was used up, the engine had smoothed out alot. I did have to re-adjust the fuel table after the injectors were clean. But at that point it ran completely smooth.

Then I got the new 60# injectors and they were new to start with so there was no trouble getting them dialed in.

Later,
David

turbokinetic
07-13-2009, 01:11 PM
Finally got to watch the videos. Doesn't sound bad at all!

When I first got my turbo 3.8 running, it ran rough at idle and seemingly nothing would smooth it out. I could adjust the injector constant too far rich until it "loped" or too far lean until it stalled, and no where in between would it run smooth.

With the fuel at it's "smoothest" I could add advance to the timing until it loped, or remove advance until it had that "old tractor" sound, but it still was rough.

The problem was..... OLD FUEL and partially plugged injectors. Car had been sitting for a year with bad engine before I got it running. I put in a tank of fresh premium fuel, and some Lucas injector cleaner. By the time that tank was used up, the engine had smoothed out alot. I did have to re-adjust the fuel table after the injectors were clean. But at that point it ran completely smooth.

Then I got the new 60# injectors and they were new to start with so there was no trouble getting them dialed in.

Later,
David

Buick_powa
07-13-2009, 10:20 PM
Hey glad you're back, VERY nice pictures, really appreciate your posting them here! That's quite a project.

The harness looks good - Judging from the tools you have there, and the quality of work shown - you must do that type of work often!

Thanks a lot! Yep i'm the "perfectionist" type of guy :lol:


Did you assemble your own MS-II ECU? I have never used MS or MS-II, and will be interested to see how it does for your project.

Yes I did assembled it from a DIYautotune.com kit for the MS-II. It's really easy and straigt forward you have some choices to do during the assembly depending on what type of Idle control, ignition system, ect you're going to run but still it's quite easy to build



The main thing I'm curious about is the tuning phase. With my crazy retrofits and modifications, I've used a stock ECU and had a "baseline" fuel map to start from. Yours is a blank slate, right?

The tuning software can calculate a "base map" for the fuel with the Engine displacement, fuel injector rate and the "target A/F ratio". From that you can adjust it in a 16x16 table for each rpm range and MAP reading(integrated ON the board).


Just a couple questions (due to not knowing about MS-II)

-Will it control the lockup torque converter?
-Will it work with the knock (detonation) sensor?
-Does it control the stepper motor IAC (or use a different idle air control)
-And finally, this is the car that's going to get a turbo, right?

Yes I think it can be controled don't ask me how 'cause i don't need it anymore as i'm going on to an HM-282 swap. Also you can control relays for some stuff like fans, vtec, name it. so i think doing an output for the TCC should not be so difficult.

Yes with the MS-II Extra Firmware you can configure a lot of input and even more with the GPIO board it add a lot of inputs to the MS-II through a Can-Bus network (up to 16 Devices)

Yes it can control the Stepper IAC you have to build the control circuit on the board (juste some resistances, diodes and cap to place differently) and it can control the stepper.

And finally: Yes it's it the Twin turbo to be precise.

turbokinetic
07-13-2009, 11:29 PM
Sounds good! Can't wait to see this come together.

As far as the MS-II knock sensing control; I would like to see how the filter circuitry for this works. Will be interesting.

I have my 3.8 turbo going now (I can't remember if you were here when I was building it) and had to go with a "built" 4T65EHD transmission. The 440T4 would not hold the torque! How strong is the HM282? Will you have to make a "built" version for this car? You going to do it all at once, or turbo system first, then transmission swap afterwards?

I'm going to follow this closely, very interested in the dual turbos. I chose the OBT system (One Big Turbo) to keep it simple, but seeing the dual turbo fabrication work come together will be fun.

Please keep posting pictures!!!
Thanks,
David

Buick_powa
07-14-2009, 01:29 AM
Sounds good! Can't wait to see this come together.

As far as the MS-II knock sensing control; I would like to see how the filter circuitry for this works. Will be interesting.

I have my 3.8 turbo going now (I can't remember if you were here when I was building it) and had to go with a "built" 4T65EHD transmission. The 440T4 would not hold the torque! How strong is the HM282? Will you have to make a "built" version for this car? You going to do it all at once, or turbo system first, then transmission swap afterwards?

I'm going to follow this closely, very interested in the dual turbos. I chose the OBT system (One Big Turbo) to keep it simple, but seeing the dual turbo fabrication work come together will be fun.

Please keep posting pictures!!!
Thanks,
David

I'll need to do some circuitry again for the Knock sensor... I think i've seen it when you started the build. The HM-282 can hold up a lot as the HM-284 on OQCGP.net there is a guy who did the swap on a turboed L36 and looks like its holding up.

i'm going to do the manual swap 1st for the next summer then at the winter i'll start with the turbo setup. This is a long work but it will worth the wait!

I Hope doing 180 flywheel hp with a good tune on the MS. with the manual tranny this is going to kick ass!

There's a lot of thinking and trying until the final setup... errors and try... thats all!

Pictures will come after each time i can work on it... Since the car is at my parents house and i'm in montreal (6+ hours of road) i can't simply work on it everytime i want...

turbokinetic
07-14-2009, 02:02 AM
I'll need to do some circuitry again for the Knock sensor...

Don't forget the earlier ECM's used an external knock interface that send to the ECM a 0 to 6 V analog signal that would reduce from 6V to lower voltages the louder the knock. This would be easy to interface through a normal ADC input with no additional filter circuitry.




I think i've seen it when you started the build.

It's a little more complete now!

Here's the build:
http://www.a-body.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1225

Finished setup (on Car Domain):
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2948544

And dyno videos (326 HP 380Tq uncorrected at front wheels):
http://www.a-body.net/forums/showpost.php?p=26316&postcount=13




The HM-282 can hold up a lot as the HM-284 on OQCGP.net there is a guy who did the swap on a turboed L36 and looks like its holding up.

i'm going to do the manual swap 1st for the next summer then at the winter i'll start with the turbo setup. This is a long work but it will worth the wait!

I Hope doing 180 flywheel hp with a good tune on the MS. with the manual tranny this is going to kick ass!


That would be more HP than any factory- installed engine in an A-Body car! Part of me wants to do a manual tranny conversion (just to prove I can do it!) but the rest of me likes to drive a car with an auto box.



There's a lot of thinking and trying until the final setup... errors and try... thats all!


Yep - I call that "educated trial and error." With expernence comes more trial with less error!

Have you got a wideband AFR meter / datalogger to connect to your MS-II? In my opinion; it is worth its weight on gold. You can do in a day what you can't do in 6 months without it!



Pictures will come after each time i can work on it... Since the car is at my parents house and i'm in montreal (6+ hours of road) i can't simply work on it everytime i want...

I understand! I'm very fortunate to have a job where I work 14 days and than have 14 days off-duty. I can work on stuff almost every month.

It always fascimates me watching someone do a project that I would also be inclined to try!

Thanks!
David

Buick_powa
07-14-2009, 03:35 AM
Don't forget the earlier ECM's used an external knock interface that send to the ECM a 0 to 6 V analog signal that would reduce from 6V to lower voltages the louder the knock. This would be easy to interface through a normal ADC input with no additional filter circuitry.



It's a little more complete now!

Here's the build:
http://www.a-body.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1225

Finished setup (on Car Domain):
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2948544

And dyno videos (326 HP 380Tq uncorrected at front wheels):
http://www.a-body.net/forums/showpost.php?p=26316&postcount=13




That would be more HP than any factory- installed engine in an A-Body car! Part of me wants to do a manual tranny conversion (just to prove I can do it!) but the rest of me likes to drive a car with an auto box.



Yep - I call that "educated trial and error." With expernence comes more trial with less error!

Have you got a wideband AFR meter / datalogger to connect to your MS-II? In my opinion; it is worth its weight on gold. You can do in a day what you can't do in 6 months without it!



I understand! I'm very fortunate to have a job where I work 14 days and than have 14 days off-duty. I can work on stuff almost every month.

It always fascimates me watching someone do a project that I would also be inclined to try!

Thanks!
David

Yeah i definately followed the debut of your project but since i moved and did not had internet for a while a friend who's member here recalled me that forum!

I'll give an eyes at this but i think mine goes directly into the ECM... well i'll see this later on.

The wideband is the next thing to buy along with some "engine vital" gauges. The Datalogger is the Laptop used to tune the system! 2 for 1!

Buick_powa
07-27-2009, 12:06 AM
Well... Due to some "GTP whoes"... I'll have to accelerate a little bit on the engine management and body work.

I'll have a week of "vacation" from August 22 and i'm going to have crazy days to make this darn engine running straight and rebuild the front end destroyed by one of my ex-gf. I've got a new programmation to try. A guy on MS-II Extra forum made a Serie II 3800 S/c running on MS-II extra. So if the engine run well with this config that will be all fine, i'll get it fine tuned at a local shop near my parents house that do tune MS-2.

So Metro666 you'll be the first A-body.net member to see a 3300 V6 running on MS-II :P

i'll keep you up to date as I can.

Metro666
07-27-2009, 03:32 AM
Well... Due to some "GTP whoes"... I'll have to accelerate a little bit on the engine management and body work.

I'll have a week of "vacation" from August 22 and i'm going to have crazy days to make this darn engine running straight and rebuild the front end destroyed by one of my ex-gf. I've got a new programmation to try. A guy on MS-II Extra forum made a Serie II 3800 S/c running on MS-II extra. So if the engine run well with this config that will be all fine, i'll get it fine tuned at a local shop near my parents house that do tune MS-2.

So Metro666 you'll be the first A-body.net member to see a 3300 V6 running on MS-II :P

i'll keep you up to date as I can.
Aight man!! Your gonna drive back from your parents place down to your place with the Century??:eek3: That meens photo shoot pretty soon!! haha
Cant wait to see it running!!! Good luck !!:)

Buick_powa
08-16-2009, 02:51 AM
Did some work on the MS-II today... Found a dead coil. for now this is a no-go... hop this will get better in 2 weeks

turbokinetic
08-16-2009, 10:43 AM
Did some work on the MS-II today... Found a dead coil. for now this is a no-go... hop this will get better in 2 weeks

You're using the engin's original DIS (direct ignition) system? Those coils go bad every now and then.

How's the tuning of the engine VE table going? If it's anything like the VE of my 3.8; the table is far from flat, especially at the low RPM / low MAP regions. I still have some rough areas in it.

Thanks for the updates!
David

Buick_powa
08-18-2009, 01:17 AM
You're using the engin's original DIS (direct ignition) system? Those coils go bad every now and then.

How's the tuning of the engine VE table going? If it's anything like the VE of my 3.8; the table is far from flat, especially at the low RPM / low MAP regions. I still have some rough areas in it.

Thanks for the updates!
David

did not even been able to start it... since this cylinder is dead i loose 1 tach pulse on 6... so the MS Un-sync. I'll work more on this next week since i'm in vacation and it need to run!

turbokinetic
08-18-2009, 01:27 AM
did not even been able to start it... since this cylinder is dead i loose 1 tach pulse on 6... so the MS Un-sync. I'll work more on this next week since i'm in vacation and it need to run!

Hmm - the DIS "reference" output sends pulses when the crank position sensor picks up the reluctor wheel. It will still send the same pulses wether or not the ignition coils are good.

Didn't you have a video of the car running?

The module sends a reference pulse to the ECM, then the ECM sends a "spark timing" (EST) pulse back to the module when it wants a spark to happen.

The signal:
Originates at Crank sensor...
Through Module (logic)... Into ECM on "reference" wire...
Through ECM... Out of ECM on "EST" wire...
Back to Module (power stage)...
To Coil...
and finally to spark plug...


David

Buick_powa
08-18-2009, 04:16 AM
Hmm - the DIS "reference" output sends pulses when the crank position sensor picks up the reluctor wheel. It will still send the same pulses wether or not the ignition coils are good.

Didn't you have a video of the car running?

The module sends a reference pulse to the ECM, then the ECM sends a "spark timing" (EST) pulse back to the module when it wants a spark to happen.

The signal:
Originates at Crank sensor...
Through Module (logic)... Into ECM on "reference" wire...
Through ECM... Out of ECM on "EST" wire...
Back to Module (power stage)...
To Coil...
and finally to spark plug...


David

Yes i did made it run bu tit died and never started again. Now the wiring is finnally debuged and everything is set for it to run but the b*tch wont start... i'll see next week with the new coil. This seems really strange to me as the MS don't pick all the tach signals.. i've got a ICM from a 3800 with the harness. I'll try this if i can't come up with the 3300 module. Most of the documentation is for the 3800 as well as the wiring.

Buick_powa
08-24-2009, 08:51 PM
Video from the Start up are now on upload will edit later when they are finished!


1rst start:
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/th_MOV01221.jpg (http://s217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/?action=view&current=MOV01221.flv)

after Req_fuel adjust:
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/th_MOV01222.jpg (http://s217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/?action=view&current=MOV01222.flv)

turbokinetic
08-24-2009, 09:22 PM
Oh yeah!! It revvs pretty peppy after the req_fuel adjustment!! Sounding good man!!!

jeffreyclay
08-24-2009, 11:53 PM
That's some beautiful paint on that Buick!:rock:

turbokinetic
08-25-2009, 12:17 AM
That's some beautiful paint on that Buick!:rock:

Always like the black cars! Reminds me of the mighty Grand National!

In the southeastern US, black cars get too hot in the summer. But they still look great. Just have to keep the A/C working well!

David

Buick_powa
08-25-2009, 10:34 PM
Always like the black cars! Reminds me of the mighty Grand National!

In the southeastern US, black cars get too hot in the summer. But they still look great. Just have to keep the A/C working well!

David

Yeah that was the "theme" and well.. looks like My A/c discharged I'll try to recharge it with the stuff they sell at canadian tire. It's a real mess to reconnect everything... blower, A/c, Colling fan, Starting circuit are done.

Left to do is:
Headlights, flashers/parkings, Tcc, backup, air horns, ECM bracket, ECM power and ground, and several other things i can't rember in the interior. Also add to this list the damn tunning that i'll have to do on Narrow band. 'cause the tuning shop I called can't do it even on the raod because the tech need to have a formation in a couple of month (don't ask me why...)

then the car will get beck on the road. My dad and I plan to spray the car tomorrow i will be full black again with a nice coat of paint! :)

I'll post some pictures of the underhood mess later tonight when i'll get back inside... maybe near midnight eastern time

Buick_powa
08-26-2009, 11:05 PM
Yeah that was the "theme" and well.. looks like My A/c discharged I'll try to recharge it with the stuff they sell at canadian tire. It's a real mess to reconnect everything... blower, A/c, Colling fan, Starting circuit are done.

Left to do is:
Headlights, flashers/parkings, Tcc, backup, air horns, ECM bracket, ECM power and ground, and several other things i can't rember in the interior.

OK!

Headlights: Done
Flasher/Parking: On the way
TCC: to do
Back up: to do
Air horns: Done
ECM Bracket: Done
ECM Power: Done
ECM Ground: near done
Replacing doors pins: Done


We start to prime the area that needed repairs tonight. Also i've got a rendez-vous to tune the car on the road at the shop i've called this week i,ve talked with the boss and he will do it on friday PM!!!!

I'll try to finish all the small electricals detail tonight...

One little advice guys... If you plan on doing this conversion... don't remove all the harness from the car! Just remove what is related with the injection and the ignition and keep the OEM ECM in place to keep several stuff! (like the speedo)

Picture time:
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01223.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01224.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01225.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01226.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01227-1.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01228.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01229.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01230.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01231.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01232.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01233.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01234.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01235.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01236.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01237.jpg

Buick_powa
08-26-2009, 11:17 PM
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01238.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01239.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01240.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01241.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01242.jpg

I'll post more later!

turbokinetic
08-27-2009, 12:33 AM
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01227-1.jpg

Love your extreme underhood lighting system!!!

Yes your car is new enough to need the ECM to buffer the speedometer signal. I ran into that with my transmission swap.

It's really looking like progress being made. Thanks again for showing us what's going on with it. It looks like a HUGE project in progress looking at the pictures. But i go back at my own pictures and they are just as bad so I shouldn't say that :)

I'm working on my Turbo Sedan and should have some pictures tonight or in the morning. Working on a MAF swap and other finishing touches.

David

CuttyC 3.3
08-27-2009, 02:27 AM
Wow , whats those shiney things in the grille =D =D Its not a compressed air-horn is it ?? how is it powered /? Ive been looking into installing one of these myself ?

Buick_powa
08-27-2009, 02:31 AM
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01243.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01244.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01245.jpg

My dad, Who's doing most of the body job!
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01246.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01247.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01248.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01249.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01250.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01251.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01252.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01253.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01254.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/DSC01255.jpg

That it for today. I'll be masking, priming and painting the car tomorrow. Then friday is gonna be the tuning day! Also there's an other damn coil that died again... I hope this is not gonna happen to much... these are like 80$ a piece...

Buick_powa
08-27-2009, 02:34 AM
Wow , whats those shiney things in the grille =D =D Its not a compressed air-horn is it ?? how is it powered /? Ive been looking into installing one of these myself ?

Yeah those a air horn coming froma truck. My dad took those at his job as they were being put to trash. They work fine!

And my install photos are in the previous post! I'm running at 30 PSI.

CuttyC 3.3
08-27-2009, 02:40 AM
OMG thats soo awesome !! haha . I dunno about you, but where i live there are alot of old people on the road fallin asleep at the wheel so one of these would to very nicely. Thats going to be sweet tho!

Buick_powa
08-28-2009, 04:12 AM
OMG thats soo awesome !! haha . I dunno about you, but where i live there are alot of old people on the road fallin asleep at the wheel so one of these would to very nicely. Thats going to be sweet tho!

Where I live (montreal) not only the oldies are to watch... well... everyone is to watch.... damn these people drive like crazy... I think i'll use it a lot.... poor little compressor....

Tomorrow is D-day... Tuning session... lets hope everything gonna be fine... got it even more peppy but welll the narrow is crap for tunning...

turbokinetic
08-28-2009, 01:59 PM
Where I live (montreal) not only the oldies are to watch... well... everyone is to watch.... damn these people drive like crazy... I think i'll use it a lot.... poor little compressor....


Lol! I used to have a set of airhorns on my 86 T-Type. But then I needed that area behind the grille for the turbo intercooler. Less noise but WAAY more fun!!! :lol:



Tomorrow is D-day... Tuning session... lets hope everything gonna be fine... got it even more peppy but welll the narrow is crap for tunning...

Hope it goes well!!! It should - your craftsmanship on the wiring harness build looks to be second to none. Should work flawlessly during the dyno session.

Yes a NB O2 is pretty useless for tuning. It's great at what it was designed for, but due to that intended purpose, it is crap for tuning!

One thing I noticed about the factory tune on my 87 3.8 was how overly conservative the factory spark timing was. There is much improvement to be found in tuning the timing tables.

Please let us know how much HP and Torque she makes!

Thanks,
David

Buick_powa
08-28-2009, 10:24 PM
well looks like everything is against me... The engine seems to have spinned a bearing... it knock hard and wont run... damn thing... now i,ve got to rebuilt 2 rear shock tower on my GTP in 2 days... next thing to do on the coupe... extract the engine, create a custom stand, put the engine on it, rewire everything to it, then make it run again with a wideband and try to tune it... maybe i'll build a nice setup on it for the turbos and the manual tranny at the same the same time.

turbokinetic
08-28-2009, 10:43 PM
well looks like everything is against me... The engine seems to have spinned a bearing... it knock hard and wont run...

NO NO NO!!!! Damn that is horrible. Please don't give up on it. These engines are very durable and it is so unlikely to spin a bearing. Wonder what happened?

I ruined one Buick engine by running it with pieces of plastic chips in the oil. It had the plastic chips when I got it, and I didn't open the oilpan and clean out first. This is the result:

http://68.209.87.173/Temp/bearings.jpg
http://68.209.87.173/Temp/bearings_close.jpg



damn thing... now i,ve got to rebuilt 2 rear shock tower on my GTP in 2 days... next thing to do on the coupe... extract the engine, create a custom stand, put the engine on it, rewire everything to it, then make it run again with a wideband and try to tune it... maybe i'll build a nice setup on it for the turbos and the manual tranny at the same the same time.

It would be easier to build, if you do the turbo system and transmission swap at the same time. You could design the turbo system to work with the extra room around the smaller manual transmission.

Don't give up. Hope things look up soon!
David

Buick_powa
08-30-2009, 12:48 AM
Yeah I know that these engine are indestructible (well nearly). I didn't investigated more on the case as time was shorting out (too much by the matter... did not had time to finish the GP strut towers) I'll make this engine run on the custom stand i'll build. then maybe i'll build some sort of "crazy brake" (like those truck electric brakes) to load the engine. Then hook up the HM-282 then turbos.

Maybe this is only a stupid thing like wrong ignition timing or anything else... but i don't have much time to sort it out. I'll take the engine out soon before my dad take the whole car to our storage. Damn I hate being so far from my home... (7 hours)

turbokinetic
08-30-2009, 01:50 AM
Yeah I know that these engine are indestructible (well nearly). I didn't investigated more on the case as time was shorting out (too much by the matter... did not had time to finish the GP strut towers) I'll make this engine run on the custom stand i'll build. then maybe i'll build some sort of "crazy brake" (like those truck electric brakes) to load the engine. Then hook up the HM-282 then turbos.

Maybe this is only a stupid thing like wrong ignition timing or anything else... but i don't have much time to sort it out. I'll take the engine out soon before my dad take the whole car to our storage. Damn I hate being so far from my home... (7 hours)

One of the best ways to build a "cheap dirty dyno" is with a big hydraulic pump. If it is a fixed displacement pump; you only need to know pressure and shaft speed to calculate hydraulic horsepower. A reservoir, pump, gauge, and tachometer can be an effective dynamometer. Just be very careful around the high-speed driveline.

Does the MSII have an input for a detonation sensor?

I'm in the fun phase of connecting all the datalogging equipment to my 87 Turbo Sedan. I'm logging the knock sensor reading, MAF frequency, and engine speed. So far the factory tune (re-scaled for double the spark advance range) is still spot-on the air/ fuel ratio. It's been mainly spark advance adjustments to keep away detonation under boost.

Later,
David

Buick_powa
08-30-2009, 04:52 PM
One of the best ways to build a "cheap dirty dyno" is with a big hydraulic pump. If it is a fixed displacement pump; you only need to know pressure and shaft speed to calculate hydraulic horsepower. A reservoir, pump, gauge, and tachometer can be an effective dynamometer. Just be very careful around the high-speed driveline.

Yeah I thinked about that one while i was falling asleep last night. I worked at an Agco/Valtra dealer who had one of these kind of dyno to test PTO HP output. I'll check for this way.



Does the MSII have an input for a detonation sensor?


Yes MS-II have an input for Knock sensing but only with the MS-II/extra code. I did not wired it but i think i might have done it... my bad.



I'm in the fun phase of connecting all the datalogging equipment to my 87 Turbo Sedan. I'm logging the knock sensor reading, MAF frequency, and engine speed. So far the factory tune (re-scaled for double the spark advance range) is still spot-on the air/ fuel ratio. It's been mainly spark advance adjustments to keep away detonation under boost.



:thumbsup: If i had found before that the 3.3 ECM can be chipped. I would had go this avenue...
but thinking of it if i can find a ful wiring harness from a century maybe i'll reinstall it in the bay then i can keep all the stuff that the ecm control. This is my major error. I did not thinked about some things and ended with that.:uh: We learn from our errors.

turbokinetic
08-30-2009, 05:33 PM
:thumbsup: If i had found before that the 3.3 ECM can be chipped. I would had go this avenue...
but thinking of it if i can find a ful wiring harness from a century maybe i'll reinstall it in the bay then i can keep all the stuff that the ecm control. This is my major error. I did not thinked about some things and ended with that.:uh: We learn from our errors.

Yes. Don't feel too bad. This happens. In addition to.....
http://68.209.87.173/Temp/bearings.jpg

I have a newly bored out Buick 3.0 block, with ported oil gallerys and new cam bearings. It is in the junk pile. During the research phase for my 3.8 turbo, I searched and found that the 3.8 and 3.0 blocks were the same. THis was wrong. The cylinder sleeves in the 3.8 block extend down into the crankcase one inch farther than the 3.0.

Since I was building a 3.8 engine, the crank stroke was longer and the pistons came all the way out of the bottom of te bores, with only the rings staying in the cylinders.

Had to start over from the beginning with that engine; and pay the machine shop to bore out and replace cam bearings in another CORRECT block.

Live and learn!!!

If you decide to go back with the 1228706 ECM, you will not be disappointed. That's part of Delco's "P4" ECM family. These are the most advanced pre-OBDII boxes they built. It has the ALDL8192 high speed datalink that will report 9 or 10 complete frames of sensor data per second. With an emulator plugged into the ECM, you can real-time tune it, changing the ECM settings and fuel tables while it runs. And it will still retain factory-like reliability and diagnostics.

Got to go for a while,
Later!
David

Century7667
09-05-2009, 05:25 AM
If you decide to go back with the 1228706 ECM, you will not be disappointed. That's part of Delco's "P4" ECM family. These are the most advanced pre-OBDII boxes they built. It has the ALDL8192 high speed datalink that will report 9 or 10 complete frames of sensor data per second. With an emulator plugged into the ECM, you can real-time tune it, changing the ECM settings and fuel tables while it runs. And it will still retain factory-like reliability and diagnostics.

Got to go for a while,
Later!
David

Dave,

What applications used the 1228706 ECM?

Thanks,
Ken T.

skalor
09-08-2009, 02:16 PM
It would be easier to build, if you do the turbo system and transmission swap at the same time. You could design the turbo system to work with the extra room around the smaller manual transmission.

A manual would make fabricating the downpipe so much easier.

Buick_powa
09-13-2009, 12:32 AM
A manual would make fabricating the downpipe so much easier.

True! That's why i'm going that way. Also going to search for a stock wiring harness from a Century and redo all my things, the right way this time.

*Pre-paid pub space*
http://www.a-body.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2639
*End*

Also will work on doing a stand for the engine to hopefully debug everything from the MS-II tune file with the engine off the car, bolt the transmission in place, start building the TT setup, remove the transmission, then build the dyno (lets hope i will find a big enough pump to handle all that power!) and redo the tuning with load and etc.

When i'll redo the tune is where the fun will start! There will be several new stuff added to the management of the engine:

Boost control;
knock control;
maybe COP(if i don't do this mod: http://www.teglerizer.com/fi/megasquirt/ms_ignition_module.html);
lunch control;
tap shift;
several stuff...

The list is long but this will worth it!

Buick_powa
10-18-2009, 02:28 AM
OK!

Some news!

I've found a nice car to take several parts from! She will run again next summer!!!! Many works will be hopefully done this winter.

Later,
Simon

turbokinetic
10-18-2009, 02:00 PM
Thanks for the update - keep us posted and stay warm during your winter work!



OK!

Some news!

I've found a nice car to take several parts from! She will run again next summer!!!! Many works will be hopefully done this winter.

Later,
Simon

cutlassburnin
11-09-2009, 03:31 AM
yea keep up the work man! Too bad we dont have any members near you to help ya out. Id definitely be down to get my hands dirty on another a-body project.

I see you have a gtp now? Just jack the engine out of that! :thumbsup:

jk jk lol

Buick_powa
01-19-2010, 01:07 AM
hoooooo crap... several stuff lost here!

turbokinetic
01-19-2010, 01:12 AM
hoooooo crap... several stuff lost here!

Yes, there was a database crash. Joe explained it on the site forum. I am about to repost my 3800 build thread!
David

Buick_powa
01-19-2010, 03:38 AM
Ok... So I talked a litte bit with Jon at Delta camshaft (aout 3 emails) then nothing since like a week...

I'm willing to do affairs with them but they don't seems to take me on the serious... I hope to get this cam reground as soon as possible as told in the (lost) post that i've found a Garage. Things are going to move a little faster now!

I'll post the last photos i have from the engine removal/teardown later.

turbokinetic
01-19-2010, 03:41 AM
Ok... So I talked a litte bit with Jon at Delta camshaft (aout 3 emails) then nothing since like a week...

I'm willing to do affairs with them but they don't seems to take me on the serious... I hope to get this cam reground as soon as possible as told in the (lost) post that i've found a Garage. Things are going to move a little faster now!

I'll post the last photos i have from the engine removal/teardown later.

After I talked to him, I just sent my cam in to them and he remembered what I wanted. It was turned around in a day! Just box it up and send it that way.
David

Buick_powa
01-20-2010, 12:08 AM
Ok thanks David I'll send it until end of the week!

Now here come the photos!

we start with that:

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01359.jpg

Hoodless crew YO!

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01360.jpg

Bad stuff:
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01364.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01365.jpg

Good stuffs:
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01366.jpg

MS-2 engine harness:
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01367.jpg

Chain block on

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01362.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01363.jpg

Engine out
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01369.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01371.jpg

Good cleanup needed:
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01370.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01372.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01373.jpg

on the stand:
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01374.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01375.jpg

engine tear-down
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01388.jpg

Will port this:
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01387.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01386.jpg

Will be ported too and cam reground
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01384.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01385.jpg

Intake gasket are shot!
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01381.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01382.jpg

Will be ported and polished
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01378.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01379.jpg

Polishing started:
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01377.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01376.jpg

Buick_powa
01-20-2010, 12:08 AM
A little video of the engine transmission extraction

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/th_MOV01368.jpg (http://s217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/?action=view&current=MOV01368.flv)

The big ass slush box:

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/DSC01389.jpg

Prospeeder
01-20-2010, 12:16 AM
Mmmmm repaint eh, looks good tho

turbokinetic
01-20-2010, 12:26 AM
Thanks for reposting the picts!

That manifold looks EXACTLY like the LN3 3800 manifold (other than the logo)!

The corrosion looks rough - damn the road salt.

I am very concerned about my friend's LeSabre T-Type that we're swapping the engine into. He moved from Mississippi to Maryland and was not familiar with the hazards of this salt.

That intake gasket looks exactly like my mom's car's 3800 when the gasket failes at 370,000 miles!!!

http://68.209.87.173/89_LeSabre/teardown_2.jpg

Did you figure out the reason the engine was knocking?

David

Buick_powa
01-20-2010, 01:40 AM
The gasket surelly did not helped. I hope that the base is not affected in any way. Maybe my ignition timing was so off that the engine was pre-igniting and pinging as hell.

Well... it's 20 years of road salt cumulated that give this kind of results... I hope the engine will be rebuilt soon so i can put it back in the car. Need to plan the move of the car...

turbokinetic
01-20-2010, 01:47 AM
The gasket surelly did not helped. I hope that the base is not affected in any way. Maybe my ignition timing was so off that the engine was pre-igniting and pinging as hell.

Well... it's 20 years of road salt cumulated that give this kind of results... I hope the engine will be rebuilt soon so i can put it back in the car. Need to plan the move of the car...

Yeah - I remember you got a garage to work at! This will be good!

Thankfully, we caught my mom's car before the gasket leak put too much water in the base. It started losing water and just a week later it was put out of service for a rebuild!

Have you removed the rod caps and main caps to inspect the bearings?

Buick_powa
01-20-2010, 02:14 AM
No not yet. Had no time to do this in the holydays...

turbokinetic
01-20-2010, 02:19 AM
I see - the holidays take all the time. I am GLAD that is over for another year. :-)

As for the "slushbox" you need only to install a Transgo System Correction Pack shift kit. Then it will have a crisp, european-style shifting feel. I can get a part # if you want.

David

Buick_powa
01-20-2010, 02:41 AM
hooo! Sure yeah I want that part #!!!!

And i'm glad too the holydays are over!

turbokinetic
01-20-2010, 02:55 AM
Transtar / Axiom part number follows. They are a major player in the transmission repair industry serving OEM's and aftermarket shops. Most parts places can use this part # to get it.

T84167 TransGo Shift Kit-Jr®, 440-T4

https://buy.axiom.com/home.aspx

(the "Jr." implies it is a kit for one transmission, instead of a shop pack for 3 transmissions.)

turbokinetic
01-20-2010, 03:14 AM
One concern with the 440T4 is a high-RPM failure of the charge pump. It seems the oil flow path through the passages in the transmission, to the pump rotor inlet is not smooth enough for extremely high flow rates. I have never had this happen but hear it does happen in "race" applications.

You might want to "port" the parts of the transmision where the oil flows up into the charge pump inlet so the pump will not cavitate.

Just a thought.

David

Zaloryan
01-24-2010, 02:18 AM
Progress is looking really good! What kind of lift were you going to run with on the camshaft?

Buick_powa
01-25-2010, 10:45 AM
I'm looking for a 268 cam profile. It will give around 0.469" of lift and a Mild Choppy idle

turbokinetic
01-25-2010, 10:54 AM
... Mild Choppy idle

Definition of "Mild Choppy Idle:"

Idles at minimum of 1500 RPM - stalls often.
Backfires constantly, equally out the intake and exhaust.
Runs smooth at 3000 and above RPM.

This I have learned through experience! :)

David

Zaloryan
01-26-2010, 04:33 AM
Why are you running so much lift on the camshaft if you'll be running two turbos? Just being inquisitive. :)

turbokinetic
01-26-2010, 10:22 AM
Why are you running so much lift on the camshaft if you'll be running two turbos? Just being inquisitive. :)

I bet this is so, in case of a turbocharger failure, the pieces of the turbo impeller will have room to enter and exit the valves without jamming anything up! Afterall, with 2 turbos the chance of a turbocharger failure is doubled! :rolleyes:

No, really the lift of the cam is optimized for the heads on the engine. There is a perfect amount of lift where flow is greatest, for any given port configuration. The cam manufacturers know just how much it needs!

If I remember, the cam in my 3.8 turbo has .498 lift at the valves.

The valve timing and duration have everything to do with it being a "turbo cam" or not.

David

Zaloryan
01-27-2010, 03:39 PM
Okay, well it just seemed that the lift seemed a bit high for a twin turbo application.

As far as I know, the engine should be close to factory lift specifications for turbocharger applications.

Feel free to educate me further!

Buick_powa
02-21-2010, 11:52 PM
Okay, well it just seemed that the lift seemed a bit high for a twin turbo application.

As far as I know, the engine should be close to factory lift specifications for turbocharger applications.

Feel free to educate me further!

Because this setup is going to be N/a for summer DD.

And while i'm here i should make an update.

As i'm like 600 KM away from my car, my dad will start to remove the powertrain/harness from the grey coup i bought this autumn. My Grand prix no longer have a 3rd speed and oil is burnt. I'm not going to repair it.

So my black Century will hit the road again with the grey's 3300 and black's 440T4 with grey's wiring harness. This will give room for more improvement on the 3300 that got out of the Black one.

Plans is to put it back on the road at Easter.

turbokinetic
02-22-2010, 12:29 AM
Awe Dude! I hate that about your transmission. Do you have the 4T65EHD overhaul manuals? There are several updates you will need to make while overhauling it.

Did you see the videos of the LN3 engine with the Delta Cams cam in it? It runs awesome with a 22% increase in airflow. That is amazing for a N/A engine.

Thanks,
David

Buick_powa
02-22-2010, 11:59 PM
No I don't have it... and I don't plan to overhaul it... to much money sink in that dump...

Yeah i gave it at look yesterday when you posted it on facebook! Looks to pull nice!

The numbers are impressive! Just some head porting and VOILA you got a new engine :P

turbokinetic
02-23-2010, 04:33 AM
No I don't have it... and I don't plan to overhaul it... to much money sink in that dump...

Last kit I bought was only about $200 to be honest.



Yeah i gave it at look yesterday when you posted it on facebook! Looks to pull nice!

The numbers are impressive! Just some head porting and VOILA you got a new engine :P

Thanks! It has more potential yet - ran out of time to keep tuning on it!

Thanks,
David

Buick_powa
02-24-2010, 12:39 AM
Last kit I bought was only about $200 to be honest.

Yeah but you know the "While i'm here" stuff... I may only replace the 3rd clutch pack but the rest of the transmission is contamined with the residue of burnt clutch. It may cost 600$ to fully rebuild it but i don't have that much money and i still don't have a garage to work on my cars...

turbokinetic
02-24-2010, 06:52 AM
I understand not having a place to work on it. I trust your judgement on what is best for your situation; but I want to clarify one thing. The kits I use are a complete kit with all the lined and steel plates for all clutches, and all the paper gaskets and rubber seals.

84006HPW - 4T65E 2003-current
84006GPW - 4T65E up to 2002

Retail for $230 , cost about $160 from Transtar.

"J" code (HD series 10/75") torque converter retails $222, costs $120 (with core returned)

Manuals, $40

About $320 for everything you need to overhaul it, including the ATSG factory manuals.

See Axiom Automotive (https://buy.axiom.com/default.aspx)

They are a "commercial" grade supplier and offer no tech support. They do not cater to DIY customers. They carry all manuals and parts for 99% of automatics on the road. HIGHLY recommended. Their sales people are very helpful and they locate hard to find parts. The eSource website has pictorial exploded views of all the transmissions they sell parts for.

Hope this helps you out when you do decide to do something with it!

Buying transmission parts locally always results in a HUGE markup and you pay 2 to 3 times what the parts are actually worth.

David

Buick_powa
02-24-2010, 10:19 PM
So if they are "Commercial" supplier i'm not eligible for an account.

Maybe i'll rebuild it later. But for now my effort goes on the Century!

Also I've found a transmission for 200$. Swaping the transmission won't be too long with the car lift at my job.

turbokinetic
02-25-2010, 10:43 PM
So if they are "Commercial" supplier i'm not eligible for an account.



I'm not commercial either! By that I mean they just sell parts. They can't tell you what you need, can't give any rebuild advice. They do business with people who call in, knowing what they want, by part number. They are just a sales and warehousing co. But they will sell to anyone.


Maybe i'll rebuild it later. But for now my effort goes on the Century!

Also I've found a transmission for 200$. Swaping the transmission won't be too long with the car lift at my job.

No, it won't be too bad with a lift!

Good luck with the Century project. I have another Century project upcoming that I am very excited about but don't want to tell the whole story just yet! ;)

David

http://68.209.87.173/89_LeSabreT/LeSabre.gif

Buick_powa
02-27-2010, 11:52 PM
I'm not commercial either! By that I mean they just sell parts. They can't tell you what you need, can't give any rebuild advice. They do business with people who call in, knowing what they want, by part number. They are just a sales and warehousing co. But they will sell to anyone.

Ok I made application for an account. Let see if they will return any life sign. How many time did they took to return an answer on your case?




No, it won't be too bad with a lift!

Good luck with the Century project. I have another Century project upcoming that I am very excited about but don't want to tell the whole story just yet! ;)

David

http://68.209.87.173/89_LeSabreT/LeSabre.gif

RHO! Can't wait to learn more about that one!

Thanks
Simon

turbokinetic
02-28-2010, 12:01 AM
Ok I made application for an account. Let see if they will return any life sign. How many time did they took to return an answer on your case?



It took a couple days - they are not open Sat and Sunday.



RHO! Can't wait to learn more about that one!

Thanks
Simon

I am going to put to use what I have learned on the Olympia car. It will be turbo, and the HP goal for this one is 400, AT THE WHEELS as measured on a dynamometer. The Olympia made 326 HP at the wheels. Towards the end of next week I should be able to tell the whole story.

I will be completing my TurboDiesel project first, though!
David

Buick_powa
05-22-2010, 05:19 PM
Century's back on the road! Did 1.5K kilometers up now and nothing wrong except maybe a random missfire on cyl #6. will investigate on that later. I have to do a full maintenance on brake system aka lubing sleeves of calipers and replacing E-brake cables.

Buick_powa
03-20-2011, 01:48 AM
Ok... It's been near a year since i posted here. Not so much work have been done since i moved back home in last december. But still some progress is done!

Having fun with the fisheye:

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/IMG_1481.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/IMG_1482.jpg

Dome light installed:
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/IMG_1487.jpg

License light installed:
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/IMG_1495.jpg

White leds everywhere!!!!
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/IMG_1498.jpg
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/IMG_1503.jpg

Yeah I love my Fisheye!
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/IMG_1508.jpg

Off-topic. This is the sky tonight at home :)
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc164/Buick_powa/Projet%20Buick/IMG_1515.jpg

HO! By the way, I'm collecting parts for the rear disc brake conversion. Found the rear axle, ordered pads and rotors, still need to find calipers.

Century7667
03-20-2011, 07:01 PM
Wow. That dash looks good with the enhanced lighting!

Ken T.

Buick_powa
10-01-2011, 09:53 PM
Hey there though i could use a little update here!

The car is in the garage since mid-july for a flywheel replacement and while i was there i though i could use some restoration work!

So this is the Original transmission that was on the car before the swap

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/303153_2363155639559_1270386011_2915925_1195516_n. jpg

I applied 2 coats of Por-15 Aluminum engine enamel
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/317543_2363156359577_1270386011_2915927_3165426_n. jpg
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/s720x720/262593_2363157039594_1270386011_2915929_6296473_n. jpg

Also the subframes and control arms are being coated with 2 coats of Por-15 Rust inhibitor paint
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/313260_2493374414947_1270386011_3046941_1903698949 _n.jpg

First half is primed, control arms are drying on the second coat.
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/301351_2493374934960_1270386011_3046942_230076834_ n.jpg

Second half is primed
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/310707_2493376214992_1270386011_3046943_1336825070 _n.jpg

I used Por-15 Tie-coat primer.

Then when everything's gonna be dried out i'll spray it with black enamel paint. The primer need 12 hours to dry before i can give it an other coat, Por-15 is 3-5 hours.

turbokinetic
10-02-2011, 08:01 AM
That's looking, the tranny could pass as new with that aluminum paint!

Thanks for the update.
David

Buick_powa
03-31-2012, 12:36 AM
http://www.facebook.com/v/3569300872436

Started the car the other day... Got this coolant smoke show... Also the brand new flywheel i put in the last year has a tooth missing. L67 going in there!