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    Rear Frame Repair

    Hello,
    I have a 1988 Cutlass Ciera, with about 138k miles and a 2.5l Iron Duke Engine. My rear has rusted out at the points where the rear axle attaches to the frame. I was just wondering if anyone has any expierence with frame repair and can give me any tips on what can or cannot be done.
    Thank you for your time and help
    -Martin
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    #2
    Originally posted by mxt7674 View Post
    Hello,
    I have a 1988 Cutlass Ciera, with about 138k miles and a 2.5l Iron Duke Engine. My rear has rusted out at the points where the rear axle attaches to the frame. I was just wondering if anyone has any expierence with frame repair and can give me any tips on what can or cannot be done.
    Thank you for your time and help
    -Martin










    Oh that looks pretty sad. BUT don't give up. I've seen one of our members recreate that area and have a sound and solid repair. Will try to look up his post.

    Thankfully I live in the South and we don't have this problem here.

    David

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      #3
      Wow, that's probably the worst I've ever seen. How is the rest of the car? Might want to have a real good look at the fronts of the rockers/lower A-piller area, the rear "frame" rails where rear bumper shocks mount up, the engine cradle, and the area under the hood where the battery sits. All of those areas are prone for rust.
      -Andy

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        #4
        junk it....too much work, thats cancer!!
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          #5
          You can find a newer, cleaner A-body for less than what it would cost to fix all of that rust.......

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            #6
            This is fixable, but not worth it, unless you have a workshop at your disposal, where things will cost you nothing financially.

            This rust damage is placed in seriously important locations, and would have to be properly fixed. No bondo, fiberglass, duct-tape or mediocre welding skills would suffice.

            Getting another car would be the best choice... this one you can probably use for spareparts, or part out for ebay or here.
            Old like good wine...

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              #7
              Well put, Tuddi. Even if you have the skills, time, and the cost would be small, it would only be worth doing if there were no other problem areas on the car.
              -Andy

              '86 Eurosport VR coupe
              '86 Eurosport sedan
              '88 Eurosport VR coupe
              '89 Eurosport wagon

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                #8
                I concur with these guys. I'd just give up on that car myself. Buy another clean one that's the same model. Keep this one as a parts car. The amount of money it'll take for you to fix it would be as much as a lower mileage car in mint condition.

                With your car, you'd have to literally cut out most of it and find a junk car and cut out that section and put it in. There is no way bondo will properly fix that. No way. Even if you tried and managed, it'll just rot away in less than 2 years. Even riveting panels isn't going to help you here. It has to be completely cut out and gutted, new parts welded on.

                George

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                  #9
                  Just wanted to let you guys know that I did fix this, I love this car and the sound of the engine, must be those gears on the camshaft.




                  While I was working on that I did buy another Ciera (red one above) and it ended up having the same problem but i only had to fix it on one side:



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                    #10
                    Originally posted by mxt747 View Post
                    Just wanted to let you guys know that I did fix this, I love this car and the sound of the engine, must be those gears on the camshaft.
                    ....
                    While I was working on that I did buy another Ciera (red one above) and it ended up having the same problem but i only had to fix it on one side:

                    ....
                    This is great to see a long-lost member report in! Glad you got the rusted frame repaired. It looks like it will be structurally sound for a long time to come.

                    Sincerely,
                    David

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                      #11
                      WOW. That is quite a bit of work...reminds me of my 92 ciera. 190k miles. This kind of rust killed it. I don't weld and nobody could fix it. But, it was also slipping in 1st even with the pressure up so..all in all it wasn't that big a loss.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by mxt747 View Post
                        Just wanted to let you guys know that I did fix this, I love this car and the sound of the engine, must be those gears on the camshaft.




                        While I was working on that I did buy another Ciera (red one above) and it ended up having the same problem but i only had to fix it on one side:



                        Do you have any way too give me a idea on how much steel u used on your Cutlass .
                        I've got a 1995 Buick century with a rusted Frame on the rear driver's side .
                        The trailing arm still on the body but the lift support is shot and rusted away .
                        It broke from the mechanic who worked on it lifting it on a lift not his fault .

                        Can you give me a idea did you drop the gas tank and do the welding .
                        My fuel filter and gas tank is near were I need my trailing arm welded and supported to the body .
                        Did you also drop the rear trailing arm too .
                        I seen you made a fabrication and now can lift your car up from the back driver's side .

                        If you have additional pictures it would be helpful I plan on doing it this weekend on the 4th of July. Harbor freight sells a nice welder for 199.

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                          #13
                          Hope you get an answer to your question... Both members involved on this thread have not logged in in quite a while. 6 years for one, and 5 months for the other.
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                            #14
                            https://www.a-body.net/forums/forum/...bracket-repair

                            Ive done 3 of these. The interior side looks good on yours and that’s what you need to weld to. Basically the lip of the door seal, and brace it to the trunk stiffener. I built a triangular box, and welded it really good to the stiffener plate for the rear axle bolts. Make sure the rear axle is good because you’re never going to unbolt it again. I’ve never had one break after I was done with it.

                            But I agree with the others, check other things like cradle mount areas, spring perches, etc.

                            Wish my pics would work. Sometime when I am home I’ll see what I can upload.
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