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    Quote Originally Posted by 85_Ciera_Rebuild View Post
    Question is, is their product good to go, or were they having issues.
    That is the real question. Up until pretty recently no one had seen anything of an actual vehicle. Sometime last year they actually showed up with a prototype for some car magazines to drive. I think Jalopnik drove it and while still having a number of problems of a preproduction car including a fender fell off while driving around NY City causing them to have to get out and remove it in order to continue driving, but it did drive and function, just needig some refinement. I am not sure I heard they ever showed up anywhere with it or another car since then though.



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    as for kit cars there is this http://exomotive.com/eco-exo/

    In concept pretty similar to the elio except you have to build it and source its engine, however because you build it the regulations are a bit easier in most states. Not sure what its real MPG would be but I bet it does pretty well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemons bob View Post
    as for kit cars.
    Over the years, I've seen a number of kit cars available, powered via VW air cooled to V8 engines.

    Eco-Exo seems high priced, and you have to source out one of those scooters.

    For Lotus 7 Replicas, I think I've even seen plans, where you build it.

    For those with loose change, here's some high dollar kit cars

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    I kind of like this one http://race-car-replicas.com/rcr-d-type/ because I've always found the d-type to be one of the best looking race cars ever built, but even with the purchase price of the kit you need to source the drivetrain and then many hours to get everything together. the Exo-eco might seem high but seems mechanically simple to put together and I bet with the purchase of a used scooter may still come in under the elio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemons bob View Post
    ...you need to source the drivetrain and then many hours to get everything together...
    When plans are available, there can be more drive-train/suspension options...but welding skills are required.

    Elio's enclosed body is what I liked. Exo-eco would be cold in winter, more so than a Lotus Seven replica. If you build a "Locost" style sportscar," one could install a heater core.

    In early 1960s, my brother and I drove around in a 1956 Buick convertible, with top down, in winter months, with driver/passenger windows up...not cold much, with a good heater..

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    latest news http://jalopnik.com/elio-motors-is-l...-th-1797500072

    I just can't see them raising over 100 million in additional preorders at this point. Not sure how many people would even want to buy stock in this company at this point, I mean unless it was like a penny a share at a gamble that $20 might some day cash in big for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemons bob View Post
    Not sure how many people would even want to buy stock....
    Let Geely buy it:-)

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    Investors seeking refunds from Phoenix-based automaker

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    My brother is one of those who invested in them. We actually saw one, and sat in one, on display here in Denver. But he has been waiting 8 years.. and nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pontiac6ksteawd View Post
    But he has been waiting 8 years.. and nothing.
    Most likely, vehicle will not go into production. I doubt if there was anything special about it, but getting IAV's power-train could be an issue. Web site is still up/running, which is puzzling. Getting 84 mpg may be a stretch with 1350lb curb weight....50 mpg, yes.

    Three wheel vehicles have to be approved on a state by state basis. I have no idea what Paul Elio is up to these days. If only he came out with a kit vehicle
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    On a federal level, three wheel cars do not exist in the U.S. If a
    light duty vehicle operates with not more than three wheels in contact
    with the ground, it is classified as a motorcycle. Manufacturers of
    three-wheelers must therefore equip their vehicles according to
    motorcycle regulations, and they do not have to meet the safety and
    emissions standards that apply to passenger cars. Homebuilt
    three-wheelers are regulated on a state level and must comply with
    state-level motor vehicle regulations. But state vehicle code normally
    does not contradict federal regulations.

    https://rqriley.com/lisensing-and-in...uilt-vehicles/

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    elio
    so-so vehicle)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    I don't think many believe the 84 mpg figure will be reached if they do get their cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Active View Post
    I don't think many believe the 84 mpg figure will be reached if they do get their cars.
    The three wheel concept goes back to a 1886 Benz, and in 70s and 80s, two others embarked on three wheelers. In 80s, there was the FreeWay, which "Edmonson claimed the FreeWay got 84mpg from its standard 12hp gasoline engine..."

    Looking at a motorcycle like Honda Rebel 300, which has a 286cc liquid-cooled single-cylinder four-stroke, it is capable of 78 MPG, with a "wet" curb weight of 364 pounds.

    Thus, getting 84 mpg on a three wheeler would require a very light vehicle with low aero-drag, a smaller cc engine with higher compression and a high pressure fuel injection system.

    VW, some years ago, developed a high pressure gasoline fuel injection system that could obtain around 100mpg....but their fuel injection pump failed with time. Diesel injection pumps get lubrication via fuel, but gasoline don't lubricate a pump. I do not recall what psi this system had, but I do know later day VW/Bosch pumps (2009-2013 vintage) were doing 40 bar (480 psi.),

    I think its possible to get 84 mpg hwy, but finding an engine OEM to build a smaller engine might not be possible with a small production run. With a light vehicle, say 500 pounds, even a 50hp engine would be overkill on power requirement. The Honda Rebel 300 has 27 hp, which is enough for moderate acceleration, and could work if a light weight composite shell was created.

    Hence, reaching 84 mpg is possible with the right people involved, and if a single piston engine could be designed for it.

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